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Trade down

Created by: yikes
Initial Creation Date: Sep 30, 2020
Published: Sep 30, 2020 at 3:28
Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators
Team Explanation
THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION/ FORMED OPINION


Looking to discuss the proposal/ value

Is Ottawa far off
Is Ottawa offering to much

Does WPG accept? Does Ottawa?
Who declines first (my guess wpg but that’s a good value, a top 6 guy, a future 1C potentially (5th), brown who could be a 2C but probably 3C this year, and 33)




Don’t know the exacts of Ottawa’s roster projection for next season so just tossed together a lineup
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Brown, Connor1$2,500,000
Duclair, Anthony2$2,500,000
Tierney, Chris4$3,750,000
Paul, Nicholas2$1,500,000
Hawryluk, Jayce1$1,500,000
Balcers, Rūdolfs1$850,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Byfield, Quinton3$975,000
Trades
OTT
  1. Laine, Patrik
  2. 2020 1st round pick (WPG)
Additional Details:
Ottawa Selects Quinn (if they really want him this badly)
WPG
  1. White, Colin ($750,000 retained)
  2. Brown, Logan
  3. 2020 1st round pick (OTT)
  4. 2020 2nd round pick (OTT)
Additional Details:
Winnipeg selects a center (Rossi, Perfetti, I guess maybe Lundell?)

5 spots value
2020 33rd overall
White (retention)
Brown

For

Laine

That’s a lot for Laine for Ottawa to offer
Buyouts
  • Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
  • Dion Phaneuf: $1,354,167
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Colin White: $750,000 (15.79%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2020
NYI
SJS
WPG
CBJ
DAL
NYI
OTT
WPG
OTT
TBL
SJS
STL
2021
OTT
OTT
CBJ
SJS
OTT
COL
EDM
OTT
OTT
2022
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$51,229,166$0$4,290,000$30,270,834
Left WingCenterRight Wing
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
OTT
Tierney, Chris
$3,750,000
C
UFA - 2
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$4,995,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Duclair, Anthony
$2,500,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Anisimov, Artem
$4,550,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
$736,666
C, RW
RFA - 1
OTT
Hawryluk, Jayce
$1,500,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Byfield, Quinton
$975,000
OTT
Brown, Connor
$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
$1,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
OTT
Norris, Joshua
$925,000
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Balcers, Rūdolfs
$850,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
$8,000,000
LD
UFA - 8
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
$4,500,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
OTT
Nilsson, Anders
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Wolanin, Christian
$900,000
LD
RFA - 1
OTT
Zub, Artem
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
OTT
Högberg, Marcus
$700,000
G
RFA - 1
OTT
Lajoie, Maxime
$710,000
LD
RFA - 1
OTT
Reilly, Mike
$1,500,000
LD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
OTT
Gáborík, Marián
$4,875,000
RW
UFA - 1

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Sep 30, 2020 at 3:37
#1
Leafs Arethebest
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It would have too be the 3rd instead of the 5th at a minimum. Ottawa might have to add even more.
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:39
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Quoting: Saskleaf
It would have too be the 3rd instead of the 5th at a minimum. Ottawa might have to add even more.


I don’t see Ottawa moving 3 unless they get a unreal return

I also don’t see them moving 5


How much would you estimate Ottawa needs to add or change in this situation. Personally I think it can’t be JBD or Brannstrom sent.

Maybe batherson?
Maybe Norris but he’s f*ing flying and gonna make anyone regret trading him (hi I’m a sharks fan lol trust me I know)
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Sep 30, 2020 at 3:39
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That is way more than I'd be comfortable giving up to get Laine. He's got some great upside, but he's such a flawed player, there's no way I'd pay the huge price tag on him
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Sep 30, 2020 at 3:40
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
That is way more than I'd be comfortable giving up to get Laine. He's got some great upside, but he's such a flawed player, there's no way I'd pay the huge price tag on him

Yeah guy above says no wpg
You say no ott

Means I think it’s close to fair as a starting point

Now to my opinion if I’m Ottawa I do not budge on offering more and I’m already scared on offering this tbh

I’d rather Ottawa keep 5 and 3 but getting Laine is intriguing but this price is scary here if we’re including 5
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Sep 30, 2020 at 3:43
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Quoting: Claesson4Norris
That is way more than I'd be comfortable giving up to get Laine. He's got some great upside, but he's such a flawed player, there's no way I'd pay the huge price tag on him


Really? Well, you can forget Liane in a Senators jersey.
Quoting: yikes
I don’t see Ottawa moving 3 unless they get a unreal return

I also don’t see them moving 5


How much would you estimate Ottawa needs to add or change in this situation. Personally I think it can’t be JBD or Brannstrom sent.

Maybe batherson?
Maybe Norris burns he’s f*ing flying and gonna make anyone regret trading him (hi I’m a sharks fan lol trust me I know)


I think if it's pick 3 that's enough.
3rd overall>=Liane
Tierney, Brown, 2nd rounder (33rd overall)<= 10th overall.

If you want to do it some other way, it has to be one of Thomson, Bernard-docker, or Brannstrom.
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Sep 30, 2020 at 3:45
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Quoting: yikes
Yeah guy above says no wpg
You say no ott

Means I think it’s close to fair as a starting point

Now to my opinion if I’m Ottawa I do not budge on offering more and I’m already scared on offering this tbh

I’d rather Ottawa keep 5 and 3 but getting Laine is intriguing but this price is scary here if we’re including 5


To be honest, I was considering almost the same thing, but Ehlers instead. What would you and @Claesson4Norris think about Ehler+10th overall for Tierney and 5th overall?
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:46
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Really? Well, you can forget Liane in a Senators jersey.


I think if it's pick 3 that's enough.
3rd overall>=Liane
Tierney, Brown, 2nd rounder (33rd overall)<= 10th overall.

If you want to do it some other way, it has to be one of Thomson, Bernard-docker, or Brannstrom.


Thomson odd man out there but I think WPG wouldn’t take him. Good selection but Ottawa but definitely needs to see how he pans out. He ain’t on the level of the other two IMO
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:47
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Quoting: Saskleaf
To be honest, I was considering almost the same thing, but Ehlers instead. What would you and @Claesson4Norris think about Ehler+10th overall for Tierney and 5th overall?

Ask more sens fans like @csick and claesson could better inquire. I’m interested in that although Ottawa could trade tierney alone for a late first or a couple seconds

I don’t think that’s unfair to offer tho
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:50
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Way too much for Laine.
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Sep 30, 2020 at 3:52
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Quoting: onion
Way too much for Laine.


Has Liane been that bad that he's below expectations of a 2nd overall pick? I still think he's worth this at least.
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:53
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Quoting: yikes
Thomson odd man out there but I think WPG wouldn’t take him. Good selection but Ottawa but definitely needs to see how he pans out. He ain’t on the level of the other two IMO


Oh, thought he was in the same category. I guess he's younger, we don't know as much about him.
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:55
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Quoting: yikes
Ask more sens fans like @csick and claesson could better inquire. I’m interested in that although Ottawa could trade tierney alone for a late first or a couple seconds

I don’t think that’s unfair to offer tho


Thanks for the feedback. I agree.
Sep 30, 2020 at 3:56
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Really? Well, you can forget Liane in a Senators jersey.


I think if it's pick 3 that's enough.
3rd overall>=Liane
Tierney, Brown, 2nd rounder (33rd overall)<= 10th overall.

If you want to do it some other way, it has to be one of Thomson, Bernard-docker, or Brannstrom.


Winnipeg doesn't need Stuztle/Byfield.. they desperately need a D.

At 5, they'd be guaranteed to get Drysdale (who's comparable is Makar). Would you trade Makar for Laine? Absolutely not.

But I get that Makar is an established NHL D and Drysdale is not, which is why Ottawa might need to throw in a sweeter. so I'd Say

OTT: 5OA + B level forward prospect
Win: Laine
Sep 30, 2020 at 4:02
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Quoting: ThatGuy
Winnipeg doesn't need Stuztle/Byfield.. they desperately need a D.

At 5, they'd be guaranteed to get Drysdale (who's comparable is Makar). Would you trade Makar for Laine? Absolutely not.

But I get that Makar is an established NHL D and Drysdale is not, which is why Ottawa might need to throw in a sweeter. so I'd Say

OTT: 5OA + B level forward prospect
Win: Laine


Not bad, but I highly disagree with your statement of "Winnipeg doesn't need Byfield/Stutzle". They need a second line centre just as bad, if not worse than a defenceman (they have Samberg and Heinola coming up).
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Sep 30, 2020 at 4:13
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Not bad, but I highly disagree with your statement of "Winnipeg doesn't need Byfield/Stutzle". They need a second line centre just as bad, if not worse than a defenceman (they have Samberg and Heinola coming up).


I stand corrected. They do need a #2 Center.

How about 5Oa and Tierney
Sep 30, 2020 at 4:14
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Quoting: ThatGuy
I stand corrected. They do need a #2 Center.

How about 5Oa and Tierney


I might do it. Not horrible at all.
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