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Created by: yikes

Team: 2020-21 Ottawa Senators

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 30, 2020

Published: Sep. 30, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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THIS IS NOT A SUGGESTION/ FORMED OPINION

Looking to discuss the proposal/ value

Is Ottawa far off
Is Ottawa offering to much

Does WPG accept? Does Ottawa?
Who declines first (my guess wpg but that’s a good value, a top 6 guy, a future 1C potentially (5th), brown who could be a 2C but probably 3C this year, and 33)

Don’t know the exacts of Ottawa’s roster projection for next season so just tossed together a lineup

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Brown, Connor	1	$2,500,000
Duclair, Anthony	2	$2,500,000
Tierney, Chris	4	$3,750,000
Paul, Nicholas	2	$1,500,000
Hawryluk, Jayce	1	$1,500,000
Balcers, Rūdolfs	1	$850,000

CREATED		YEARS	CAP HIT
Byfield, Quinton		3	$975,000

Trades

OTT

Laine, Patrik
2020 1st round pick (WPG)

Additional Details:

Ottawa Selects Quinn (if they really want him this badly)

WPG

Brown, Logan
White, Colin ($750,000 retained)
2020 1st round pick (OTT)
2020 2nd round pick (OTT)

Additional Details:

Winnipeg selects a center (Rossi, Perfetti, I guess maybe Lundell?)

5 spots value
2020 33rd overall
White (retention)
Brown

For

Laine

That’s a lot for Laine for Ottawa to offer

Buyouts

Bobby Ryan: $3,583,333
Dion Phaneuf: $1,354,167

Retained Salary Transactions

Colin White: $750,000 (0%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
20	$81,500,000	$51,229,166	$0	$4,290,000	$30,270,834

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Tkachuk, Brady $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) LW UFA - 1	Tierney, Chris $3,750,000$3,750,000 C UFA - 2	Laine, Patrik $4,995,000$4,995,000 C, RW, LW UFA - 1
Duclair, Anthony $2,500,000$2,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Anisimov, Artem $4,550,000$4,550,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Batherson, Drake $736,666$736,666 ($20,000$20K) RW, LW UFA - 1
Hawryluk, Jayce $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Byfield, Quinton $975,000$975,000	Brown, Connor $2,500,000$2,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 3
Paul, Nicholas $1,500,000$1,500,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Norris, Joshua $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C UFA - 2	Balcers, Rūdolfs $850,000$850,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Chabot, Thomas $8,000,000$8,000,000 LD UFA - 8	Zaitsev, Nikita $4,500,000$4,500,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Nilsson, Anders $2,600,000$2,600,000 G UFA - 1
Wolanin, Christian $900,000$900,000 LD UFA - 1	Zub, Artem $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1	Högberg, Marcus $700,000$700,000 G UFA - 1
Lajoie, Maxime $710,000$710,000 ($70,000$70K) LD RFA - 1	Reilly, Mike $1,500,000$1,500,000 LD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Gáborík, Marián $4,875,000$4,875,000 RW UFA - 1

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:37 p.m.

Saskleaf

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It would have too be the 3rd instead of the 5th at a minimum. Ottawa might have to add even more.

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.

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EklundCelebriniSmith

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Quoting: Saskleaf

It would have too be the 3rd instead of the 5th at a minimum. Ottawa might have to add even more.

I don’t see Ottawa moving 3 unless they get a unreal return

I also don’t see them moving 5

How much would you estimate Ottawa needs to add or change in this situation. Personally I think it can’t be JBD or Brannstrom sent.

Maybe batherson?
Maybe Norris but he’s f*ing flying and gonna make anyone regret trading him (hi I’m a sharks fan lol trust me I know)

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Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.

Claesson4Norris

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That is way more than I'd be comfortable giving up to get Laine. He's got some great upside, but he's such a flawed player, there's no way I'd pay the huge price tag on him

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Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:40 p.m.

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EklundCelebriniSmith

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

That is way more than I'd be comfortable giving up to get Laine. He's got some great upside, but he's such a flawed player, there's no way I'd pay the huge price tag on him

Yeah guy above says no wpg
You say no ott

Means I think it’s close to fair as a starting point

Now to my opinion if I’m Ottawa I do not budge on offering more and I’m already scared on offering this tbh

I’d rather Ottawa keep 5 and 3 but getting Laine is intriguing but this price is scary here if we’re including 5

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Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:43 p.m.

Saskleaf

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Quoting: Claesson4Norris

That is way more than I'd be comfortable giving up to get Laine. He's got some great upside, but he's such a flawed player, there's no way I'd pay the huge price tag on him

Really? Well, you can forget Liane in a Senators jersey.

Quoting: yikes

I don’t see Ottawa moving 3 unless they get a unreal return

I also don’t see them moving 5

How much would you estimate Ottawa needs to add or change in this situation. Personally I think it can’t be JBD or Brannstrom sent.

Maybe batherson?
Maybe Norris burns he’s f*ing flying and gonna make anyone regret trading him (hi I’m a sharks fan lol trust me I know)

I think if it's pick 3 that's enough.
3rd overall>=Liane
Tierney, Brown, 2nd rounder (33rd overall)<= 10th overall.

If you want to do it some other way, it has to be one of Thomson, Bernard-docker, or Brannstrom.

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Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.

Saskleaf

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Quoting: yikes

To be honest, I was considering almost the same thing, but Ehlers instead. What would you and @Claesson4Norris think about Ehler+10th overall for Tierney and 5th overall?

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.

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EklundCelebriniSmith

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Really? Well, you can forget Liane in a Senators jersey.

I think if it's pick 3 that's enough.
3rd overall>=Liane
Tierney, Brown, 2nd rounder (33rd overall)<= 10th overall.

If you want to do it some other way, it has to be one of Thomson, Bernard-docker, or Brannstrom.

Thomson odd man out there but I think WPG wouldn’t take him. Good selection but Ottawa but definitely needs to see how he pans out. He ain’t on the level of the other two IMO

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:47 p.m.

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EklundCelebriniSmith

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Quoting: Saskleaf

To be honest, I was considering almost the same thing, but Ehlers instead. What would you and @Claesson4Norris think about Ehler+10th overall for Tierney and 5th overall?

Ask more sens fans like @csick and claesson could better inquire. I’m interested in that although Ottawa could trade tierney alone for a late first or a couple seconds

I don’t think that’s unfair to offer tho

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:50 p.m.

onion

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Way too much for Laine.

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Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:52 p.m.

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Saskleaf

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Quoting: onion

Way too much for Laine.

Has Liane been that bad that he's below expectations of a 2nd overall pick? I still think he's worth this at least.

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:53 p.m.

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Saskleaf

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Quoting: yikes

Thomson odd man out there but I think WPG wouldn’t take him. Good selection but Ottawa but definitely needs to see how he pans out. He ain’t on the level of the other two IMO

Oh, thought he was in the same category. I guess he's younger, we don't know as much about him.

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.

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Saskleaf

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Quoting: yikes

Thanks for the feedback. I agree.

Sep. 30, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.

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ThatGuy

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Quoting: Saskleaf

Winnipeg doesn't need Stuztle/Byfield.. they desperately need a D.

At 5, they'd be guaranteed to get Drysdale (who's comparable is Makar). Would you trade Makar for Laine? Absolutely not.

But I get that Makar is an established NHL D and Drysdale is not, which is why Ottawa might need to throw in a sweeter. so I'd Say

OTT: 5OA + B level forward prospect
Win: Laine

Sep. 30, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.

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Saskleaf

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Quoting: ThatGuy

Not bad, but I highly disagree with your statement of "Winnipeg doesn't need Byfield/Stutzle". They need a second line centre just as bad, if not worse than a defenceman (they have Samberg and Heinola coming up).

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Sep. 30, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.

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Quoting: Saskleaf

I stand corrected. They do need a #2 Center.

How about 5Oa and Tierney

Sep. 30, 2020 at 4:14 p.m.

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Saskleaf

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Quoting: ThatGuy

I stand corrected. They do need a #2 Center.

How about 5Oa and Tierney

I might do it. Not horrible at all.

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