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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 1, 2020
Published: Oct. 1, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,000,000
3$1,500,000
3$1,500,000
2$1,100,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
1$1,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Volkov, Alexander$1,100,000No Compensation
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Domi, Max [RFA Rights]
  2. Fleury, Cale
  3. 2020 3rd round pick (MTL)
MTL
  1. Nylander, William
  2. Petan, Nicolas
  3. 2020 6th round pick (COL)
2.
TOR
  1. Kuemper, Darcy ($500,000 retained)
ARI
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Liljegren, Timothy
  3. 2020 2nd round pick (TOR)
  4. 2020 4th round pick (VGK)
3.
CAR
  1. Duszak, Joseph
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. 2020 1st round pick (PIT)
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,630,750$0$20,000$1,869,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,000,000$5,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,400,000$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$2,250,000$2,250,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$821,667$821,667
LW, RW
RFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$750,000$750,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,250,000$1,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, C
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$4,025,000$4,025,000
RD
UFA - 4
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$3,000,000$3,000,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$925,000$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,650,000$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$771,666$771,666 (Performance Bonus$20,000$20K)
RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$894,167$894,167
LD
UFA - 2

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Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:42 a.m.
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MTL says yes

Think phoenix asks for a 1st instead of Liligren and a pick

Carolina doesn't even consider it
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:42 a.m.
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Highly no good
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:42 a.m.
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Canes arent selling. We are trying to win.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:46 a.m.
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tbh, MTL deal seems fair, you can remove Petan, no value on him.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:47 a.m.
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Pesce doesn't fit in with Rielly, he's not a great target for the Leafs.

Arizona doesn't want a goalie in return, and Leafs aren't giving up Liljegren unless it's a slam dunk upgrade at RHD.

Montreal trade is rough, not interested in that.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:55 a.m.
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MTL says yes

Think phoenix asks for a 1st instead of Liligren and a pick

Carolina doesn't even consider it


I think Carolina might consider it so they can afford Hamilton in a year

I don't think Arizona can get a first and a good controlled asset in this goalie market but that is just my opinion
Oct. 1, 2020 at 8:58 a.m.
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Canes arent selling. We are trying to win.


I wasn't thinking you were selling, I thought it was a good move for both sides you will have space to sign Hamilton get a low cost right d a right d prospect and a first that you could draft Schneider with.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:01 a.m.
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Pesce doesn't fit in with Rielly, he's not a great target for the Leafs.

Arizona doesn't want a goalie in return, and Leafs aren't giving up Liljegren unless it's a slam dunk upgrade at RHD.

Montreal trade is rough, not interested in that.


How on Earth would you know if pesce fits with Rielly... They've never f****** played together. He's pretty much the mold of defense when we need
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:02 a.m.
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You’re basically saying Pesce is more or less worth around the same as Kapanen. Top pair rhd and middle six wingers aren’t anywhere close when it comes to value
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:03 a.m.
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You’re basically saying Pesce is more or less worth around the same as Kapanen. Top pair rhd and middle six wingers aren’t anywhere close when it comes to value


The kapanen deal was an overpaying everyone knows that
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:04 a.m.
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I think Carolina might consider it so they can afford Hamilton in a year

I don't think Arizona can get a first and a good controlled asset in this goalie market but that is just my opinion


he doesnt make enough to affect the hamilton signing and is to important behind hamilton to not find out other ways to keep him, thats my opinion of course.

I think Anderson and a late 1st for Keumper is what Arizona would look at, dont know if they would want prospects so much as picks back was my point in the trade
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:05 a.m.
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I wasn't thinking you were selling, I thought it was a good move for both sides you will have space to sign Hamilton get a low cost right d a right d prospect and a first that you could draft Schneider with.


Selling a good low cost defender is selling. We can fit in Hamilton and Svech in next year with Pesce on the roster, without a problem. We would rather pay to give Nino away or pay Seattle to take Gardiner next season than sell Pesce.
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:06 a.m.
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The kapanen deal was an overpaying everyone knows that


Yes but that package above still doesn’t get you Pesce
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:11 a.m.
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Selling a good low cost defender is selling. We can fit in Hamilton and Svech in next year with Pesce on the roster, without a problem. We would rather pay to give Nino away or pay Seattle to take Gardiner next season than sell Pesce.


That's fair I thought you would be a lot closer to the cap considering svech will likely get close to aho money if he doesn't get an offer sheet and Hamilton will be creeping up on 9
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:12 a.m.
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Yes but that package above still doesn’t get you Pesce


Agree to disagree
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:17 a.m.
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Top pair rhd and middle six wingers aren’t anywhere close when it comes to value


Pesce is not a top pair rhd.
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Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:24 a.m.
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That's fair I thought you would be a lot closer to the cap considering svech will likely get close to aho money if he doesn't get an offer sheet and Hamilton will be creeping up on 9


assuming
Svech: 8.25m
Dougie: 9m
Fleury: 1.75m
Foegele. 2m
total: 21 million

We would have 11 million and need 4 forwards (3 being 4th liners) and 2 goalies. We would have the option of selling off Gardiner and Nino to make the necessary room to have a good goalie tandem, if needed. We should have 2-3 ELC forwards ready to keep costs low.

We could always go bridge deal on Svech to save a million and half. To make it all work. We dont have any Pesce-esque defenders in the system to take his place. So, it doesnt make much sense for us to move him unless its a no brainer move to get better.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:37 a.m.
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Honest question for Leafs/canes fans....

Do you think Pesce is to Carolina what Hyman is to Toronto?

I'm certainly not suggesting that they are equal in trade value....before anyone flips out.

But to Toronto, Hyman is a guy we never think of trading away because he has a very reasonable cap hit, plays top minutes...and even though his numbers aren't that great, you really need to watch him play to truly appreciate how much value he brings to the team.

I see Pesce the same way. Numbers never look that great. He's purely a defensive d-man....but Carolina has no incentive to trade him away because he has a very reasonable cap hit, plays top minutes, and you really need to watch him on the ice to truly appreciate his impact.

What I've come to accept...as much as I love Pesce and think he's the PERFECT partner for Mo....Carolina simply has no reason to trade him. Even if a 1st, roster player and top prospect is a very good haul for a defensive d-man...it just doesn't make sense for them to move him when they'd be like us....looking to add high end talent to take the team to the next level. So even while the trade value may be more than enough...the concept simply doesn't work.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 9:55 a.m.
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How on Earth would you know if pesce fits with Rielly... They've never f****** played together. He's pretty much the mold of defense when we need


If you could please watch your language I would appreciate it.

Pesce's defensive impacts are awful. He finished in the 9th percentile of all defencemen last year in defensive expected goals. His only really good years he has been beside Jacob Slavin. Pull him away from Slavin and he doesn't look as good at all. The notion that he is good defensively is from these years, not recent results.

Here is a comparison of Pesce and Rielly from last year. They look pretty similar with similar weaknesses. It is simple to deduce that therefore they would not make a good pairing. You should take a look at Tyson Barrie and tell me him and Pesce don't have similar statistical profiles. https://public.tableau.com/shared/W62QW9QQ4?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y

So, look at that and tell me he's the perfect partner for Morgan Rielly. Because he's very clearly not.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 10:57 a.m.
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Pesce is not a top pair rhd.


He would be in Toronto
Oct. 1, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.
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If you could please watch your language I would appreciate it.

Pesce's defensive impacts are awful. He finished in the 9th percentile of all defencemen last year in defensive expected goals. His only really good years he has been beside Jacob Slavin. Pull him away from Slavin and he doesn't look as good at all. The notion that he is good defensively is from these years, not recent results.

Here is a comparison of Pesce and Rielly from last year. They look pretty similar with similar weaknesses. It is simple to deduce that therefore they would not make a good pairing. You should take a look at Tyson Barrie and tell me him and Pesce don't have similar statistical profiles. https://public.tableau.com/shared/W62QW9QQ4?:display_count=n&:origin=viz_share_link&:embed=y

So, look at that and tell me he's the perfect partner for Morgan Rielly. Because he's very clearly not.


Lol you report people for censored swearing kid? Boy you need to do something better with your time.

You can set those stats aside, Rielly hasn't played with anyone capable of the role... Ever, therefore his stats go way down. You could make the same case for peace in certain instances.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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Lol you report people for censored swearing kid? Boy you need to do something better with your time.

You can set those stats aside, Rielly hasn't played with anyone capable of the role... Ever, therefore his stats go way down. You could make the same case for peace in certain instances.


Please be more polite. These boards have become much more enjoyable recently with the decrease in personal attacks, I would love to continue on that path. Just because I do not agree with you does not mean you should treat people with disrespect. Thank you.

I don't understand your statement. We aren't talking about Rielly, we're talking about Pesce. Pesce's good defensive numbers were exclusively when he played with Slavin. Last year he played a lot with Gardiner, and he was the "strong" defensive partner. And he got shelled. What stats are you referring to? I am not talking about scoring.

What Rielly needs as a partner is someone who is capable at moving the puck, defending the rush and breaking the cycle. He provides enough offence for both players (he's one of the best defencemen in the NHL at this). Pesce is not that guy, Pesce is an offensive player, he is similar to Tyson Barrie. That pairing was a disaster last year, why try it again? Because Rielly and Pesce have similar numbers and effects on the game (more shots overall, for both teams) they're a dangerous pair for Toronto. Therefore Pesce is not a great partner for Rielly.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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Please be more polite. These boards have become much more enjoyable recently with the decrease in personal attacks, I would love to continue on that path. Just because I do not agree with you does not mean you should treat people with disrespect. Thank you.

I don't understand your statement. We aren't talking about Rielly, we're talking about Pesce. Pesce's good defensive numbers were exclusively when he played with Slavin. Last year he played a lot with Gardiner, and he was the "strong" defensive partner. And he got shelled. What stats are you referring to? I am not talking about scoring.

What Rielly needs as a partner is someone who is capable at moving the puck, defending the rush and breaking the cycle. He provides enough offence for both players (he's one of the best defencemen in the NHL at this). Pesce is not that guy, Pesce is an offensive player, he is similar to Tyson Barrie. That pairing was a disaster last year, why try it again? Because Rielly and Pesce have similar numbers and effects on the game (more shots overall, for both teams) they're a dangerous pair for Toronto. Therefore Pesce is not a great partner for Rielly.


We're talking about Rielly because you just compared pesce to Rielly and how their statistical numbers look very similar in the weakness department but you can't compare them because Rielly has never had a competent player on his pairing

I think you and I both know Gardner brings people statistical profiles down so you're kind of proving my point.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
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We're talking about Rielly because you just compared pesce to Rielly and how their statistical numbers look very similar in the weakness department but you can't compare them because Rielly has never had a competent player on his pairing

I think you and I both know Gardner brings people statistical profiles down so you're kind of proving my point.


I completely disagree. You're not listening and not looking at the numbers. I'm sorry you're so close minded. Please have a nice day.
Oct. 1, 2020 at 12:01 p.m.
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I completely disagree. You're not listening and not looking at the numbers. I'm sorry you're so close minded. Please have a nice day.


I don't need to look at the numbers to understand what I'm saying, if you're trying to say that pesce is not a standard top four defenseman then you're the one that is closed-minded. If you can't see that pesce would immediately become the best right-hand defenseman we've had probably since Brian McCabe then you need to take a long hard look in the mirror and question your "statistics"
 
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