Quoting: buffbry
There's no way you are getting any assets back on a jj dump. It's jj + poj + 2022 3rd for erne or perlini which you can either sign or let their rights go. 3 year deal for a slug in a flat cap, cost cutting era is going to cost a lot. Good start with poj added to the deal though, I appreciate that. I saw your analysis at the top which is pretty good also, wings won't buy him out though, they will keep him up this year and most likely send him down for 2 more years. But I do like your rationale behind the buyout scenerio
As for murray, yzerman said he won't be using picks on a goalie and that they are going to be signing a backup in free agency. I know you didn't put him as a trade to the wings, I'm just reiterating what yzerman said, so taking is out of the equation.
Quoting: DiehardRedWingsFan58
Dude you're not getting a 2nd back for Jack Johnson not even close, You'd have to give us more then Johnson and Joseph to even get a conditional 7th round pick back. Johnson kills any deal you'd need to attach a 1st round pick or at least 2 2nds and a 3rd to get rid of that contract. Just burying him.
both your comments are laughable.
Have you looked at the FA market on defensemen?
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/top-nhl-ufas-position-looking-10-best-defencemen-available/
every one of them is basically 29-30 years old. All of them want long term contracts, at high value.
You can sit here with your heads in the clouds, but young defensemen capable of filling starting roles go at a premium.
POJ is worth more than the 1st he was drafted at, because he's been given the time to develop. He can play now, not wait.
JJ cost is a 2nd to dump.
The net return on that is going to be roughly a 2nd.
The penguins aren't pressed to trade JJ, they can buy him out. They don't care about the length, the team will be long dead before it will even matter.
Which means you can expect to pay if you want defensive help.