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Created by: pharrow

Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins

Initial Creation Date: Sep. 30, 2020

Published: Oct. 3, 2020

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A. They can easily afford him and simply wait.
B. Rumors are someone is going to tender him. In order to tender him at a rate he'd sign or that you'd actually get him from the penguins,, you are looking at compensation of a 1st and 3rd. So get over it people. To all the "I don't want murray" your teams GM doesn't care what you want. 8 Teams are reportedly in on him. 8. Because there are no 26 year old goal tenders with his level of play available and no one wants to sign an aging vet to a large long term deal.

To clear up the 3RD.
Maniscalco is the man. He signed as a UFA from the NCAA, he could have signed anywhere. He claimed "fit" read between the lines. Ice time. He is the plan. They like his game.
I don't think they are going out looking for a 3RD at this point.
If it doesn't work out they will look for defense later in the usual mid year shakeup.

The cost to dump JJ. is roughly a 2nd. 2.25 this year when buried. The buyout next year is 3.5 million over 4 years. 5.75..... Roughly the same cost what DET did with NY.
The penguins will wrap JJ with POJ.
There are multiple options. DET, TOR, OTT, basically any team looking for defense.
The question you have to ask, is do you pay out 3+ million in FA for an aging defense man of which there are few really good options and a massive need, especially at that cost.
OR, do you take the much younger player on an entry level contract, who you have control over for the next 5-6 years. Defense is always needed. And the demand is greater than the supply. A team with space trying to rebuild or deep pockets in need of defense is going to make a run at this.
POJ is clearly worth more than a 2nd, so additional compensation will come back the other way.

The only place I see this team making a move now is 3 or 4C. And only after they move Murray. Which will probably be before FA opens.

Free Agent Signings

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Jarry, Tristan	4	$3,000,000
Lafferty, Sam	2	$800,000
Simon, Dominik	2	$800,000
Murray, Matt	4	$4,000,000

Trades

PIT

2020 2nd round pick (EDM)

DET

Retained Salary Transactions

Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)

Buried

Casey DeSmith: $175,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
2021
2022

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$79,012,675	$0	$1,832,500	$2,487,325

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Guentzel, Jake $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW UFA - 4	Crosby, Sidney $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NMC UFA - 5	Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 2
Zucker, Jason $5,500,000$5,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Malkin, Evgeni $9,500,000$9,500,000 C NMC UFA - 2	Rust, Bryan $3,500,000$3,500,000 RW, LW UFA - 2
McCann, Jared $2,940,000$2,940,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Blueger, Teddy $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 1	Poulin, Samuel $894,167$894,167 C, LW RFA - 4
O'Connor, Drew $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LW UFA - 2		Tanev, Brandon $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 5
	Lafferty, Sam $800,000$800,000 RW, C, LW UFA - 2	Sceviour, Colton $1,200,000$1,200,000 RW, C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Dumoulin, Brian $4,100,000$4,100,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 3	Letang, Kris $7,250,000$7,250,000 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Pettersson, Marcus $4,025,175$4,025,175 LD UFA - 5	Marino, John $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD UFA - 1
Matheson, Michael $4,875,000$4,875,000 LD UFA - 6	Maniscalco, Joshua $853,333$853,333 ($132,500$132K) RD UFA - 3	Jarry, Tristan $3,000,000$3,000,000 G UFA - 3
Riikola, Juuso $1,150,000$1,150,000 LD UFA - 2	Ruhwedel, Chad $700,000$700,000 RD UFA - 1	Murray, Matt $4,000,000$4,000,000 G UFA - 4

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Aston-Reese, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
		Simon, Dominik $800,000$800,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:23 p.m.

#26

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Quoting: pharrow

every TOR fan knows that's bs.
Even they stated that.

I'm sorry how is that bs? It was either he does it for the purpose of a buyout or he doesn't do it. It's pretty simple to understand

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.

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Quoting: exo2769

I don't believe you at all. Just look at what's going on right now. MIN is looking to sign Hank over trading for Murray. Listen to you're own beat writers. Anyone that knows what they're talking about knows this is a complete S show for Murray.

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-Wilson/Henrik-Lundqvist-throws-a-big-wrench-in-the-potential-Matt-Murray-market/177/107682

***EDIT*** BUT it does only take one stupid GM to make a trade. I 100% get that. Look at what JR gave up for KK.

Look what Lehner just signed for and tell me Murray is getting 6....what BS.
Arbitration nothing.
And no one is signing Ludqvist, he's done, everyone knows it.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:34 p.m.

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both your comments are laughable.
Have you looked at the FA market on defensemen?
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/top-nhl-ufas-position-looking-10-best-defencemen-available/
every one of them is basically 29-30 years old. All of them want long term contracts, at high value.

You can sit here with your heads in the clouds, but young defensemen capable of filling starting roles go at a premium.
POJ is worth more than the 1st he was drafted at, because he's been given the time to develop. He can play now, not wait.
JJ cost is a 2nd to dump.
The net return on that is going to be roughly a 2nd.
The penguins aren't pressed to trade JJ, they can buy him out. They don't care about the length, the team will be long dead before it will even matter.

Which means you can expect to pay if you want defensive help.

And with this, you can keep jj

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

I'm sorry how is that bs? It was either he does it for the purpose of a buyout or he doesn't do it. It's pretty simple to understand

Go look at the mountain of posts after that trade. it's all the evidence you need

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.

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Quoting: buffbry

And with this, you can keep jj

and with that kind of attitude you will never fix your defense. It's not NHL 2020. You have to give to get.
You want to keep that broken defense go ahead.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.

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Quoting: pharrow

and with that kind of attitude you will never fix your defense. It's not NHL 2020. You have to give to get.
You want to keep that broken defense go ahead.

Yeah pal, our D is already better then yours and will be better after next season. If you think jj fixes our D, you know nothing about hockey

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:44 p.m.

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Yeah pal, our D is already better then yours and will be better after next season. If you think jj fixes our D, you know nothing about hockey

you clearly didn't watch the games. The top two pairs are fine. It's just fixing the 3rd pairing.
And your D is no where even close. Hell it's been the walking IR for the last 3 years. Good luck with that.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:45 p.m.

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Good luck with jj

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.

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Good luck with jj

why he won't be here next year.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:47 p.m.

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why he won't be here next year.

Cool he won't be here either

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.

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Cool he won't be here either

we know, the AHL team will be when the rest of the players stay on IR because they don't care

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:50 p.m.

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we know, the AHL team will be when the rest of the players stay on IR because they don't care

Yeah I'll take the 6 guys I'm icing over that albatross. It's cool when sid retires and you don't get another star you'll be in KC with that franchise and fan base

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:53 p.m.

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Yeah I'll take the 6 guys I'm icing over that albatross. It's cool when sid retires and you don't get another star you'll be in KC with that franchise and fan base

i'm gonna laugh when detroit and the shrinking population moves first.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:54 p.m.

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i'm gonna laugh when detroit and the shrinking population moves first.

Yeah over a hundred years with the same team and same fan base. Mario saved yours 2x when they threatened to move and then sid saved them the 3rd time, don't remember wings ever threatening to move, but good come back artard

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:55 p.m.

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Look what Lehner just signed for and tell me Murray is getting 6....what BS.
Arbitration nothing.
And no one is signing Ludqvist, he's done, everyone knows it.

How many cups has Lehner won? "everyone knows it" LOL I'm going to call you out the second he signs.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 12:59 p.m.

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How many cups has Lehner won? "everyone knows it" LOL I'm going to call you out the second he signs.

he played what 24 games last year and is 38....you think anyone is signing him to be a starter?
yeah, I'll just call you out on that now. I don't have to wait.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.

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yawn.... I think another 1,000 people just left detroit.

Oct. 3, 2020 at 1:12 p.m.

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Go look at the mountain of posts after that trade. it's all the evidence you need

Lol im still baffled how you think Detroit does this deal.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:17 a.m.

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There's zero chance the Penguins will be able to keep Murray. He's arbitration eligible and will most certainly get awarded more than $4M. He also becomes ineligible for an offer sheet once he files for arbitration.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 12:15 p.m.

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A he has not filed yet, and probably will wait due to an offer sheet.
B. with what Lehner just got, don't expect some huge amount. Anything under 5 they can afford. They have 2.6 million now, they move JJ you are at 6 million. They can afford to keep him if they want him.
They don't HAVE to move him.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 12:26 p.m.

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Lehner isn't a comparable for Murray. Also, why would he sign an offer sheet and risk the Penguins matching when he could go to arbitration, get paid, and become a UFA next offseason?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 12:38 p.m.

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Lehner isn't a comparable for Murray. Also, why would he sign an offer sheet and risk the Penguins matching when he could go to arbitration, get paid, and become a UFA next offseason?

Because the offersheet gives him control instead of the penguins as far as where he lands and possibly works that deal out a year earlier.
arbitrationis a long ways away, and Lehner is a comparable. Simply due to the new market we are in. He was the hottest goalie on the market. He got 5 mil per. Don't expect anyone to say MM is going to break the bank. I just don't buy that.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 12:44 p.m.

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Dude, you can't compare UFAs to RFAs. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying you can't. It's against the arbitration rules.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 12:50 p.m.

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Dude, you can't compare UFAs to RFAs. I'm not saying you shouldn't, I'm saying you can't. It's against the arbitration rules.

Yeah I get that. But the arbitration comparatives were not in a flat cap covid world where teams aren't making profits because they are so dependent on gate revenue.
And that in the end goes a long way.

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