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Created by: Mr_Gardoki
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 4, 2020
Published: Oct. 4, 2020
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Multiple reports are CHI is interested in Murray.
CHI doesn't have the Space for Murray.
With Dach coming up, they don't necessarily need Strome although he'd be a luxury. McCann would be a bargain replacement for 3C.
Obviously if CHI really wants Murray they will have to find a way to make the space, so I won't speculate on how they do that.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$4,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
1$1,250,000
Trades
1.
PIT
  1. 2020 7th round pick (LAK)
LAK
  1. Johnson, Jack
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
LA is kind of arbitrary. I believe the Pens can find a team to take him for a 2nd. Maybe they need to add a prospect like Legare.
2.
PIT
  1. Strome, Dylan [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (PIT)
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2020
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2021
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2022
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22$81,500,000$79,925,175$0$850,000$1,574,825
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,500,000$4,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
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$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA
$4,500,000$4,500,000
C
UFA - 2
$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,100,000$4,100,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$3,500,000$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
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$4,025,175$4,025,175
LD
UFA - 5
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2
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$4,875,000$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 6
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$700,000$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD
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Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:37 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
"DUDE" we aren't trading Strome, a 23 year old .76ppg 2C for Murray..Sorry guy just not happening and everyone is telling you that. Moving on


You can't keep him and makes no sense to keep him. You're not in the financial position to spend $5Mish on a 3C and you have Dach now. Simple logic and math, DUDE. You guys have a little over $11M which if you kept Strome, him and Kubalik will eat that up. Where's the money for your goalie?
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:38 p.m.
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I don't maybe considering Jarry just got 3.5 and I doubt that Murray will take less than his backup and Lehner just got 5. I'd rather go after Markstrom or Holtby or any of the other free agent goalies. Or just keep Crawford because whatever cap hit Murray is gonna demand will probably be fine with Crawford who is easily the better goalie


Just stop with this guy, he put together a trade with terrible value for the Hawks and is too stubborn to realize it after multiple people are telling him. Move on, he's trolling at this point.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:38 p.m.
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I don't maybe considering Jarry just got 3.5 and I doubt that Murray will take less than his backup and Lehner just got 5. I'd rather go after Markstrom or Holtby or any of the other free agent goalies. Or just keep Crawford because whatever cap hit Murray is gonna demand will probably be fine with Crawford who is easily the better goalie


Holtby is on a sharp decline and is 31. He will get overpaid by someone. You're not getting Marktsrom, so kiss that dream goodbye. Sure, keep Crawford and being mediocre. Good strategy.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:39 p.m.
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Just stop with this guy, he put together a trade with terrible value for the Hawks and is too stubborn to realize it after multiple people are telling him. Move on, he's trolling at this point.


I'm not trolling. It's not my fault you guys are fanboys with no clue.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:40 p.m.
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You can't keep him and makes no sense to keep him. You're not in the financial position to spend $5Mish on a 3C and you have Dach now. Simple logic and math, DUDE. You guys have a little over $11M which if you kept Strome, him and Kubalik will eat that up. Where's the money for your goalie?


Strome isn't getting 5M. Secondly, even if we can't keep him, we don't have to trade him exclusively to the Penguins. There are 29 other teams and the league and I'm sure one of them will make a deal that doesn't return a backup goalie
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
Strome isn't getting 5M. Secondly, even if we can't keep him, we don't have to trade him exclusively to the Penguins. There are 29 other teams and the league and I'm sure one of them will make a deal that doesn't return a backup goalie


Obviously you don't have to trade him to the Pens, but offering someone like McCann who's cost-controlled would be to your benefit. If the Pens can move JJ then they have the luxury of getting a higher-end 3C like Strome. You guys are not in that position.

Also, how much do you think Strome is going to get? I can't wait to hear this.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:41 p.m.
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Holtby is on a sharp decline and is 31. He will get overpaid by someone. You're not getting Marktsrom, so kiss that dream goodbye. Sure, keep Crawford and being mediocre. Good strategy.


Crawford had a .917% versus Murray's .899% how do you figure mediocre?
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:43 p.m.
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Crawford had a .917% versus Murray's .899% how do you figure mediocre?


Murray had a bad year. Everyone knows this. He battled injury problems and personal family loss. He will bounce back.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Obviously you don't have to trade him to the Pens, but offering someone like McCann who's cost-controlled would be to your benefit. If the Pens can move JJ then they have the luxury of getting a higher-end 3C like Strome. You guys are not in that position.

Also, how much do you think Strome is going to get? I can't wait to hear this.


I don't know, but I don't see him make 5M unless he's signing a long contract. We are actually fine with our cap space. There are a lot of "ifs" that haven't been answered. Like is Shaw returning? Are they gonna trade Saad (even at 3M), De Haan, etc.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I don't know, but I don't see him make 5M unless he's signing a long contract. We are actually fine with our cap space. There are a lot of "ifs" that haven't been answered. Like is Shaw returning? Are they gonna trade Saad (even at 3M), De Haan, etc.


So you think Strome is a 2C, but wouldn't get $5M? That doesn't seem congruent.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:47 p.m.
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Because you guys can't afford to have both Kubalik and Strome if you want to get any legit starting goalie. Are all you hawks fans this dense?


We can and we will.

Also, why are you trying to trade Murray? Can’t afford him?
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Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:49 p.m.
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So you think Strome is a 2C, but wouldn't get $5M? That doesn't seem congruent.


If that's what you think his value is, then offer sheet him
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:50 p.m.
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We can and we will.

Also, why are you trying to trade Murray? Can’t afford him?


No, the Pens can't and the fact they have cheaper capable option gives them this opportunity to move Murray.

Also, you don't have many players you can just move out to make all this space for a goalie. Getting a bargain cost-controlled 3C like McCann give the opportunity to send out a cheaper contract to make room for a goalie instead of having to sacrifice a better player. Also, you guys still need to sign a sixth dman.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:51 p.m.
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If that's what you think his value is, then offer sheet him


So that's your way of avoiding a question and realize you're wrong. Ok.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:52 p.m.
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No, the Pens can't and the fact they have cheaper capable option gives them this opportunity to move Murray.

Also, you don't have many players you can just move out to make all this space for a goalie. Getting a bargain cost-controlled 3C like McCann give the opportunity to send out a cheaper contract to make room for a goalie instead of having to sacrifice a better player. Also, you guys still need to sign a sixth dman.


So that give us Jarry and McCann for Strome and a 2nd. I'm down with that, but we aren't taking Murray
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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Murray had a bad year. Everyone knows this. He battled injury problems and personal family loss. He will bounce back.


he’s been an average to below-average player for the three seasons since winning his two cups. This past season, he had a .899 save percentage and a GSAA of minus-11.6 on a decent penguins team. With the market being what it is, you aren’t getting a 50 point 2C for your backup goalie. Even if he won 2 cups a lifetime ago.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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So that give us Jarry and McCann for Strome and a 2nd. I'm down with that, but we aren't taking Murray


Why would the Pens trade the cheaper option? That doesn't make sense. You're really not good at this.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:53 p.m.
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he’s been an average to below-average player for the three seasons since winning his two cups. This past season, he had a .899 save percentage and a GSAA of minus-11.6 on a decent penguins team. With the market being what it is, you aren’t getting a 50 point 2C for your backup goalie. Even if he won 2 cups a lifetime ago.


He's not a 2C.

Murray had a .919 Save % the season before that. I'm not saying he's an elite goalie, but you're getting a goalie who elevates his game in the playoffs and is good enough to make you competitive in the regular season.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:54 p.m.
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He's not a 2C.


He is a 2C. (I win)
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Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:54 p.m.
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Why would the Pens trade the cheaper option? That doesn't make sense. You're really not good at this.


You don't understand that I don't care what the Penguins problems are. I'm a Chicago fan. You seem to really be desperate to acquire Strome since you created the thread and persisted to verbally harass everyone saying no. So if you want Strome, that's the price. Otherwise we are fine to keep our players and you keep your players.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:58 p.m.
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You don't understand that I don't care what the Penguins problems are. I'm a Chicago fan. You seem to really be desperate to acquire Strome since you created the thread and persisted to verbally harass everyone saying no. So if you want Strome, that's the price. Otherwise we are fine to keep our players and you keep your players.


You don't seem to understand the reality. Just because YOU, a fan, doesn't like Murray doesn't mean the ACTUAL TEAM doesn't. Again, you stink at this.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:58 p.m.
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He is a 2C. (I win)


Ok, then I guess you can move Dach.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 8:59 p.m.
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You don't seem to understand the reality. Just because YOU, a fan, doesn't like Murray doesn't mean the ACTUAL TEAM doesn't. Again, you stink at this.


Ok well I just gave my feedback.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:00 p.m.
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Ok, then I guess you can move Dach.


Strome for Crosby if you want
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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:03 p.m.
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Ok well I just gave my feedback.


I mean, it's wrong feedback, but ok. Too many fans evaluate trades as fans rather than paying attention to what's actually happening and that's what you're doing. You can ignore the financial reality of your team, but that doesn't make it any less real.

You have $11.1M free.
Including LTIR, you have 11 forwards, 6 dmen and 1 back-up goalie signed. You need to sign three to four players and Kubalik + Strome is probably going to take up around $10M to $11M.

Have fun putting your head in the sand about what's coming down the pike!
 
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