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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

I mean, it's wrong feedback, but ok. Too many fans evaluate trades as fans rather than paying attention to what's actually happening and that's what you're doing. You can ignore the financial reality of your team, but that doesn't make it any less real.

You have $11.1M free.
Not including LTIR, you have 11 forwards, 6 dmen and 1 back-up goalie signed. You need to sign three to four players and Kubalik + Strome is probably going to take up around $10M to $11M.

Have fun putting your head in the sand about what's coming down the pike!

Dude, just because we have to trade someone doesn't mean we have to trade them to the Penguins.

Secondly, there are tons of factors that you aren't considering including:

Is Shaw and his 3.9M cap hit coming back?
What about Seabrook?
What about De Haan?
Is Zach Smith getting bought out or traded?
Is Ian Mitchell going to start in the NHL next season?
Is Strome and Kubalik going to accept bridge deals or want longer term contracts?
What about Koekkoek, Caggiula, Beaudin, Suter, etc.
What about Crawford?
What about Gilbert, Carlsson, etc..

Clearly you know nothing about the Hawks so just worry about finding someone to take Murray and leave us alone.

Also, there is zero chance that Strome and Kubalik make 10M combined.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:15 p.m.

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

You keep missing the point. Forget about Murray. If you want a legit starting goalie, Strome still doesn't make sense.

Seabrook isn't going anywhere unless the NHL allows teams a compliance buyout which they are considering.
Shaw is coming back, don't worry.

As far as your other points, you're still missing the financial point or how much it will cost you to get a legit starting goalie. You're not getting anyone worthwhile for $2M. Strome, if you're lucky, will cost $4.5M. If you have a chance, not with the Pens, to get a capable 3C that's cost-controlled, it helps you accomplish other goals.

Get a clue.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:16 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

I mean, it's wrong feedback, but ok. Too many fans evaluate trades as fans rather than paying attention to what's actually happening and that's what you're doing. You can ignore the financial reality of your team, but that doesn't make it any less real.

You have $11.1M free.
Including LTIR, you have 11 forwards, 6 dmen and 1 back-up goalie signed. You need to sign three to four players and Kubalik + Strome is probably going to take up around $10M to $11M.

Have fun putting your head in the sand about what's coming down the pike!

You can look at any average hawks team and see that we don’t have a problem now that we moved Maatta.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:16 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

The Hawks don't view Murray as a starting goalie so we are happy to look elsewhere.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:23 p.m.

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Quoting: Stan_Bowman

You can look at any average hawks team and see that we don’t have a problem now that we moved Maatta.

So you are mathematically challenged, too?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:24 p.m.

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

The Hawks don't view Murray as a starting goalie so we are happy to look elsewhere.

This is again, flawed. YOU think he's not, but the HAWKS do as many outlets, including both Chicago and National outlets have reported. So, yeah, you're wrong.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:26 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

This is again, flawed. YOU think he's not, but the HAWKS do as many outlets, including both Chicago and National outlets have reported. So, yeah, you're wrong.

Cool well you have proven that you are annoying so peace

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:26 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

So you are mathematically challenged, too?

I’m not great at math, average probably, but I know my way around an ACGM. You can easily go check, in fact there is a post that just went up by @LFCHOCKEY with evolving hockey’s cap projections. Pretty easy fit.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:31 p.m.

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Quoting: Stan_Bowman

LOL Strome is not getting $3.3M. I just looked at the one posted. That's VERY laughable. I love how you and the other genius say he's a 2C, but you want to pay him average 3C money. Yeah, I'm done with you.

EDIT: Actually $3.3M is less than you'd pay a good 3C. $4M is the going rate for an above average 3C. Man, you hawks fans are something.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:47 p.m.

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

Murray is a backup

Awesome. That doesn't change the fact Strome is a 3c

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:48 p.m.

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

I'm not trolling. Multiple Hawks fans told you we didn't think the value was fair because Strome>Murray and you keep insisting to push your player on us. It's like Domi with Canadiens' fans. In my opinion, the only way that we should get Murray is if we exchange them for someone that I'd prefer less than Murray. So those three players.

Maybe if Murray didn't put up a .899 on a very good Penguins team, then we'd be interested. But he did, and he's not a consistently good goalie, so therefore his value in my eyes is non existent.

1. Where am I pushing murray to Chicago? Ill wait. 2. If the penguins were a very good team, why did they get embarrassed to MTL?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:49 p.m.

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these are the same people who think Saad is worth like 3 1st round picks.....
Honestly, Strome last year, put up very similar numbers to McCann. If we valued him the same CHI should be sending back 4 1st round picks.

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:50 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Actually they said yes.

I love how everyone thinks this is a flooded market. Yeah, it's flooded with old goalies on their way out and you guys aren't getting Markstrom. So hey, if you want to get a cheap one year option on an old goalie and still stink, by all means.

Why trade the 23 year old .76 ppg center for a replacement level at best over the last 2 years goalie when we can just resign crow for free. not to mention you want a 2nd as well. every hawks fan in these comments hates the deal just take a hint

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:51 p.m.

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Crow is better than Murray

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:53 p.m.

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LMAO clearly you don't know what you're talking about. .76ppg players are not 3Cs....name 5 3Cs in the league that put up those kind of numbers. Stop trolling

Weird how you are calling him a .76 ppg player when he didnt even average that this year.... Oh wait, you have to combine 2 years to fit your narrative of him being a 2nd line center. Got it

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

https://www.secondcityhockey.com/2020/9/9/21410249/chicago-blackhawks-dylan-strome-restricted-free-agent-comparable-contracts-nhl-free-agency-2020

please read an educate yourself before commenting. Goes through comparable and both bridge and long term deals to discuss what Strome's next deal could look like. Credit to @ChiHawk he's the one that initially showed me the article

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:54 p.m.

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

It’s called a bridge deal my guy.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:55 p.m.

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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

1. Where am I pushing murray to Chicago? Ill wait. 2. If the penguins were a very good team, why did they get embarrassed to MTL?

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You guys are mad because the Hawks fans don't want to make a deal because we don't care about your players. Just give up. We don't want them, leave us alone. Sorry we hurt your feelings

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:56 p.m.

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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

Weird how you are calling him a .76 ppg player when he didnt even average that this year.... Oh wait, you have to combine 2 years to fit your narrative of him being a 2nd line center. Got it

Ok, so let’s talk about how you have to go back multiple years to fit your narrative about Murray being a good goalie, when he certainly wasn’t this year.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:57 p.m.

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Quoting: Stan_Bowman

he’s been an average to below-average player for the three seasons since winning his two cups. This past season, he had a .899 save percentage and a GSAA of minus-11.6 on a decent penguins team. With the market being what it is, you aren’t getting a 50 point 2C for your backup goalie. Even if he won 2 cups a lifetime ago.

Why didnt you mention the year before that when he had a save % of .919 and GSAA of 14.67?

Oct. 4, 2020 at 9:59 p.m.

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

You guys are mad because the Hawks fans don't want to make a deal because we don't care about your players. Just give up. We don't want them, leave us alone. Sorry we hurt your feelings

Still waiting on your answers to my questions

Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:00 p.m.

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Quoting: Stan_Bowman

Ok, so let’s talk about how you have to go back multiple years to fit your narrative about Murray being a good goalie, when he certainly wasn’t this year.

Its no secret he struggled this year, so whats your point? Nobody said he had a good year

Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.

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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

Still waiting on your answers to my questions

You seem very upset that Chicago doesn't value your players. Sorry, we just don't. I don't know what to tell you.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.

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Quoting: hockeyfanatic05

Why didnt you mention the year before that when he had a save % of .919 and GSAA of 14.67?

Why would we count that if weren’t not counting both of Dylan Strome’s years? Also, NHL’s average save percentage is about .915. So like I said, average to below average goalie.

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 10:02 p.m.

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