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Created by: MelonVK
Team: 2020-21 New York Rangers
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 4, 2020
Published: Oct. 4, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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I feel like these trades are pretty generous. Wpg gets a C, Rags geta much needed young LHD who's NHL-ready while he's passed in Wpg's pecking order by Heinola.

Vegas gets rid of as much salary they could hope for while getting a very good player in return - a point machine of a RHD that they don't really have (not with that handling anyways, Shea).

The SJS one is tricky, but also not really necessary. If they decide to want to be good in a few years rather than now, I think this makes a lot of sense for them. If they want to compete next year, it doesn't. If it doesn't happen, you don't sign Rutta (or any cheap RHD in FA, really) and play Smith there. Maybe Chytil could go the other way instead of Kravtsov and instead of playing 4th line C.

People love Kravtsov, but these wings are stacked for years to come. If Hertl arrives you compete right away.

The Lundqvist and Shattenkirk buy-outs relax next year and this team should have plenty of cap space going forward.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
5$5,250,000
4$2,450,000
3$1,650,000
3$1,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$3,000,000
2$1,150,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Lafrenire, Alexis
3$925,000
Trades
1.
NYR
  1. Niku, Sami [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 2nd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Strome, Ryan [RFA Rights]
  2. 2020 4th round pick (NYR)
2.
NYR
  1. McNabb, Brayden
  2. Stastny, Paul
  3. 2020 1st round pick (VGK)
3.
SJS
  1. Kravtsov, Vitali
  2. Smith, Brendan
  3. 2020 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2020 3rd round pick (DAL)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$80,671,466$0$7,212,500$828,534
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,650,000$3M)
RW
RFA - 2
Lafrenire, Alexis
$925,000$925,000
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$5,625,000$5,625,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,650,000$1,650,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$350,000$350K)
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$300,000$300K)
RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the New York Rangers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
G
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the New York Rangers
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 1
$1,150,000$1,150,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
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$2,450,000$2,450,000
G
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$863,333$863,333
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$730,000$730,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$833,333$833,333
LD
UFA - 1

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Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:08 p.m.
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Think the Hertl trade gets worse every time its posted! now we dont even get strome back
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:09 p.m.
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Sharks are gonna have to decline this one pretty hastily - that's just not good enough value for us to move him.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:09 p.m.
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Think the Hertl trade gets worse every time its posted! now we dont even get strome back


So - if you read the description this is in a scenario where the Sharks want futures rather than current help. Do people really even think Strome is that good?
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:10 p.m.
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swap niku and lindgren
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:11 p.m.
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Quoting: MelonVK
So - if you read the description this is in a scenario where the Sharks want futures rather than current help. Do people really even think Strome is that good?


Not at all. Sorry but the futures for Hertl probably wont look like this. Maybe if Krav had played in the NHL this year and been a 40 point player, or if the pick was top 10.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:13 p.m.
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Sharks are gonna have to decline this one pretty hastily - that's just not good enough value for us to move him.


IIRC there is exactly one guy who's scored more points than Kravtsov in the MHL at 16-17. That was (again, iirc, a few months older) Nikita Kucherov. If this isn't enough value I don't know what is. Another guy mentioned Strome ??? Over Kravtsov?
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:13 p.m.
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Jets decline
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:14 p.m.
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Not at all. Sorry but the futures for Hertl probably wont look like this. Maybe if Krav had played in the NHL this year and been a 40 point player, or if the pick was top 10.


You can always ship him next year as a pending UFA for a later first and a worse prospect. I have no idea what type of return you expect if this isn't close to you.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:17 p.m.
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VGK declines. Not sure how this is fair at all. You’re getting a first, a top 4 defenseman and a 2C.

VGK is all in for Petro, if that doesn’t happen, I don’t see us going after another blue liner
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:23 p.m.
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VGK declines. Not sure how this is fair at all. You’re getting a first, a top 4 defenseman and a 2C.

VGK is all in for Petro, if that doesn’t happen, I don’t see us going after another blue liner


You're over the cap as is. Give over another D then, but you need the space? I just cleared 8 mil of it while giving you a solid RHD on a way better deal than you'll ever sign Pietrangelo to. But alright, pay someone a first to take Fleury off your hands and I'll wait for the articles next year on how maybe, maybe, signing 30+ year olds to 7 year $60m deals isn't the best of ideas when he already shows signs of slowing down.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:26 p.m.
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IIRC there is exactly one guy who's scored more points than Kravtsov in the MHL at 16-17. That was (again, iirc, a few months older) Nikita Kucherov. If this isn't enough value I don't know what is. Another guy mentioned Strome ??? Over Kravtsov?


No I like Kravtsov a lot and the CAR pick is decent as well but those two assets aren't proven enough imo. It's a big risk from the Sharks' perspective because we're essentially getting rid of our 75 point producing 1C for a pick which, lets be honest, is kind of in a spot where the talent starts to really fall off in the 1st round, and a very solid, yet unproven prospect. If that pick is near #10, this is probably not a conversation we need to be having right now. But unfortunately it isn't. I think those two assets are a good start, but the offer is gonna have to be a bit of an overpay for the Sharks to even consider moving Hertl. Including Smith in there is an issue for us as well because we're in no position to take on cap dumps of negative value players. I'm not totally sure what it would have to be, but taking out Smith would be a must and upgrading that 3rd rounder to something that would entice the Sharks would also be very important.
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Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:36 p.m.
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No I like Kravtsov a lot and the CAR pick is decent as well but those two assets aren't proven enough imo. It's a big risk from the Sharks' perspective because we're essentially getting rid of our 75 point producing 1C for a pick which, lets be honest, is kind of in a spot where the talent starts to really fall off in the 1st round, and a very solid, yet unproven prospect. If that pick is near #10, this is probably not a conversation we need to be having right now. But unfortunately it isn't. I think those two assets are a good start, but the offer is gonna have to be a bit of an overpay for the Sharks to even consider moving Hertl. Including Smith in there is an issue for us as well because we're in no position to take on cap dumps of negative value players. I'm not totally sure what it would have to be, but taking out Smith would be a must and upgrading that 3rd rounder to something that would entice the Sharks would also be very important.


You're never trading Hertl in a world where you want to be better this year. If you accept that, and we're talking about a scenario where the Sharks take a step back for a few years, you should have no problem taking back 1 years worth of 4m. The pick is in maybe the deepest draft to date, and the kid has scored 6 goals in 11 games for an otherwise pretty poor KHL side. Holding on to Hertl for two more years and signing him for another 7-8 is what got you into this mess to begin with. But I mean, it's your opinion dude. Think for example of Erik Cernak - who Tampa got by dealing away Bishop in their off year. Signing Bishop would've hurt them, not getting Cernak might have resulted in no cup this year. It's almost always better value selling high on veterans. You never get a guarantee on picks and prospects, because if you did, no one would ever trade both a 1st and a great prospect for anyone but the best handful of NHLers.
Oct. 4, 2020 at 11:49 p.m.
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You can always ship him next year as a pending UFA for a later first and a worse prospect. I have no idea what type of return you expect if this isn't close to you.


Or we can just resign him
Oct. 5, 2020 at 1:29 a.m.
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You're never trading Hertl in a world where you want to be better this year. If you accept that, and we're talking about a scenario where the Sharks take a step back for a few years, you should have no problem taking back 1 years worth of 4m. The pick is in maybe the deepest draft to date, and the kid has scored 6 goals in 11 games for an otherwise pretty poor KHL side. Holding on to Hertl for two more years and signing him for another 7-8 is what got you into this mess to begin with. But I mean, it's your opinion dude. Think for example of Erik Cernak - who Tampa got by dealing away Bishop in their off year. Signing Bishop would've hurt them, not getting Cernak might have resulted in no cup this year. It's almost always better value selling high on veterans. You never get a guarantee on picks and prospects, because if you did, no one would ever trade both a 1st and a great prospect for anyone but the best handful of NHLers.


But what about the real world where the Sharks aren't taking a step back this year because they have specifically said they aren't going to do so? If the assumption is that we're rebuilding in this scenario, then we'd be wanting even more back for the guy and the cap dump. We have no problem with resigning a great player to a contract he deserves. Hertl at 7.5x5-8 is still a great deal for us barring the injuries. Yes the pick is in a very deep draft-I get that. But the likelihood that whoever gets picked has a very impactful NHL career is a toss up. We can't be taking those risks at the expense of our best young center if the pick isn't high enough to warrant doing so - which it isn't. Again, I'm not arguing against Kravtsov because I love him as a prospect and I see him being a good player, but we just don't know yet. If we're talking about a team that can afford to make these types of trades, that's fine, but at the moment, if the Sharks get rid of Hertl, you know who their 2C would be? Either Joel Kellman or Noah Gregor. Maybe Dylan Gambrell. We can't afford to lose him. We have 0 depth. Cernak for Bishop isn't a relevant example at all because the Lightning had Vasilevsky in the pipeline and they knew he was ready to make the jump to legit starter. The Sharks don't have that luxury. I'm sorry, but the reality is that the Sharks aren't rebuilding or taking a step back, and if the Rangers aren't gonna pony up a very sizable overpay for our best center in Hertl, then it's just not gonna happen.
Oct. 5, 2020 at 7:24 a.m.
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But what about the real world where the Sharks aren't taking a step back this year because they have specifically said they aren't going to do so? If the assumption is that we're rebuilding in this scenario, then we'd be wanting even more back for the guy and the cap dump. We have no problem with resigning a great player to a contract he deserves. Hertl at 7.5x5-8 is still a great deal for us barring the injuries. Yes the pick is in a very deep draft-I get that. But the likelihood that whoever gets picked has a very impactful NHL career is a toss up. We can't be taking those risks at the expense of our best young center if the pick isn't high enough to warrant doing so - which it isn't. Again, I'm not arguing against Kravtsov because I love him as a prospect and I see him being a good player, but we just don't know yet. If we're talking about a team that can afford to make these types of trades, that's fine, but at the moment, if the Sharks get rid of Hertl, you know who their 2C would be? Either Joel Kellman or Noah Gregor. Maybe Dylan Gambrell. We can't afford to lose him. We have 0 depth. Cernak for Bishop isn't a relevant example at all because the Lightning had Vasilevsky in the pipeline and they knew he was ready to make the jump to legit starter. The Sharks don't have that luxury. I'm sorry, but the reality is that the Sharks aren't rebuilding or taking a step back, and if the Rangers aren't gonna pony up a very sizable overpay for our best center in Hertl, then it's just not gonna happen.


In. This. Constructed. Scenario.

This team-creating function literally exists to construct scenarios. I can't argue with you if you don't understand a hypothetical.
 
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