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Complete Salary Rebuild

Created by: bobblalaw
Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 5, 2020
Published: Oct. 5, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Trades are just simulations - not an expert of what trade value each palyer has or what team will do the trade. This is a roster scenario and what it would look like if all 4 gave up their NTC and moved on.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$2,500,000
3$1,200,000
6$6,250,000
2$1,000,000
2$1,200,000
2$900,000
6$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$750,000
3$2,500,000
2$1,200,000
Trades
1.
TBL
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (MTL)
2.
TBL
  1. 2021 2nd round pick (PIT)
3.
TBL
  1. 2020 2nd round pick (BUF)
4.
TBL
  1. 2020 5th round pick (EDM)
5.
TBL
  1. 2020 3rd round pick (DET)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2020
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2021
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2022
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,691,666$0$500,000$2,808,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$900,000$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
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$833,333$833,333
LW
RFA - 1
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$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
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$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
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$925,000$925,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
C
UFA - 2
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$833,333$833,333
RW
RFA - 1
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW
UFA - 2
$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3
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$1,300,000$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
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$1,700,000$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
RD
RFA - 1
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$750,000$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 3

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Oct. 5, 2020 at 2:47 p.m.
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Why do Tampa fans think Gourde is worth a 2nd? Hint: he isnt
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 2:48 p.m.
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Wings pass, makes no sense
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 3:01 p.m.
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Wings pass, makes no sense


LOL why??? AK is literally worth at least a pair of 2nds. you take that deal and flip him for a better package
Oct. 5, 2020 at 3:06 p.m.
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LOL why??? AK is literally worth at least a pair of 2nds. you take that deal and flip him for a better package

The value for Killorn is fair, but, I highly doubt he'd waive his NTC to come here.
Oct. 5, 2020 at 3:45 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
LOL why??? AK is literally worth at least a pair of 2nds. you take that deal and flip him for a better package


Nah, we want nothing to do with these types of contracts unless there is prospects and picks coming with them, we are also not trading any of our prospects or picks at this time. If he's worth more then let tb figure out their cap situation with a playoff team, or add in mega sweetners for us to take the contract
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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Nah, we want nothing to do with these types of contracts unless there is prospects and picks coming with them, we are also not trading any of our prospects or picks at this time. If he's worth more then let tb figure out their cap situation with a playoff team, or add in mega sweetners for us to take the contract


Doesn't make any sense he's 100% worth his contract you're just being a huge homer, as you're always doing. You don't understand what a cap dump is. (TB has 0 of them)
Oct. 5, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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Nah, we want nothing to do with these types of contracts unless there is prospects and picks coming with them, we are also not trading any of our prospects or picks at this time. If he's worth more then let tb figure out their cap situation with a playoff team, or add in mega sweetners for us to take the contract


Doesn't make any sense he's 100% worth his contract you're just being a huge homer, as you're always doing. You don't understand what a cap dump is. (TB has 0 of them)
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.
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Doesn't make any sense he's 100% worth his contract you're just being a huge homer, as you're always doing. You don't understand what a cap dump is. (TB has 0 of them)


No guy, it's the same problem that nobody on this site gets. For him to go to the wings it's a dump and we will take assets to take the contract. He does nothing to help our rebuild and yzerman has stated a million God damn times this is a move he will never make unless he gets something to take the contract. Trade this guy to say Calgary or a playoff team that need him and his value is exact what it is right here and works perfectly. If people would relize this and stop seeing cap space and bad team = auto yes to the trade, I wouldn't have to deny every trade in here.

So far jj for a 2nd
Bjugstad for a 3rd
Maata for a 3rd

All proposed to the red wings, they didn't even get close to their value of those deals and imagine that, the wings got none of these pieces.

We are rebuilding through the draft, why would we take a 30 years olds contract and giving up assets at the same time? It's not the direction we are going and people need to realize that. By the time we are competitive killorn will be what 32/33 with a big cap hit. Not the move we are making. Talk to me in 2022 with this same deal and it's a different story. In today's flat cap, cost cutting, rebuild world there is less than 0% chance we take this guy without a first coming back. Trade him to a playoff team and not only won't you need to add a sweetner, you would also get value back for him. Figure that crap out before you run your mouth and have no idea about the nhl
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:04 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
Doesn't make any sense he's 100% worth his contract you're just being a huge homer, as you're always doing. You don't understand what a cap dump is. (TB has 0 of them)


No you're just another egotistical brat telling us we HAVE to take your player or we're stupid and we don't understand hockey. Rebuilding teams don't typically trade high draft picks for 31 years olds. If you can't accept that you're being a homer.
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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No you're just another egotistical brat telling us we HAVE to take your player or we're stupid and we don't understand hockey. Rebuilding teams don't typically trade high draft picks for 31 years olds. If you can't accept that you're being a homer.


A cap dump=someone who isn't even worth half of his contract or something like that

Why should TB «pAy» to make DET take on Killorn (as if his deal was bad, IT'S NOT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE)

If your point is that DET should acquire picks, then ok. But you fundamentally misunderstand what we're talking about here.

The trade is AK for a 2020 3rd. Here's what you do: you flip him for a 2020 2nd, a 2021 2nd and a 2022 4th. SO you move up maybe 10-12 spots in 2020 while adding a 2021 2nd rounder and a 2022 4th.

If you want to add picks, then not taking this trade is missing a big opportunity. This is basically doing what MTL did with Scandella
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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Last thing habs need is another overpaid SMALL forward.
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
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No guy, it's the same problem that nobody on this site gets. For him to go to the wings it's a dump and we will take assets to take the contract. He does nothing to help our rebuild and yzerman has stated a million God damn times this is a move he will never make unless he gets something to take the contract. Trade this guy to say Calgary or a playoff team that need him and his value is exact what it is right here and works perfectly. If people would relize this and stop seeing cap space and bad team = auto yes to the trade, I wouldn't have to deny every trade in here.

So far jj for a 2nd
Bjugstad for a 3rd
Maata for a 3rd

All proposed to the red wings, they didn't even get close to their value of those deals and imagine that, the wings got none of these pieces.

We are rebuilding through the draft, why would we take a 30 years olds contract and giving up assets at the same time? It's not the direction we are going and people need to realize that. By the time we are competitive killorn will be what 32/33 with a big cap hit. Not the move we are making. Talk to me in 2022 with this same deal and it's a different story. In today's flat cap, cost cutting, rebuild world there is less than 0% chance we take this guy without a first coming back. Trade him to a playoff team and not only won't you need to add a sweetner, you would also get value back for him. Figure that crap out before you run your mouth and have no idea about the nhl


Ouch, I wasn't expecting much but man oh man this is BAD
«for him to go to the Wings it's a dump and we will take assets to take the contract». This would be true... if AK's contract was bad, which it's not. The fact that you don't even take this into calculation in your thinking tells me everything I need to hear.

«we are rebuilding through the draft». OK then this is the same thing I just explained to your fellow DRW fan.
-step I: take this deal
-step II: move AK for a 2nd in 2020 , a 2nd in 2021 and a 4th in 2020. You move up in 2020 while adding a 2021 pick and a 2022 one.

Again, the fact that you don't even think about doing something like this tells me everything I need to know about your NHL knowledge
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
A cap dump=someone who isn't even worth half of his contract or something like that

Why should TB «pAy» to make DET take on Killorn (as if his deal was bad, IT'S NOT FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE)

If your point is that DET should acquire picks, then ok. But you fundamentally misunderstand what we're talking about here.

The trade is AK for a 2020 3rd. Here's what you do: you flip him for a 2020 2nd, a 2021 2nd and a 2022 4th. SO you move up maybe 10-12 spots in 2020 while adding a 2021 2nd rounder and a 2022 4th.

If you want to add picks, then not taking this trade is missing a big opportunity. This is basically doing what MTL did with Scandella


And when he gets injured? Or doesn't have as good of a season(which is likely)? Dude give it up. No one is suggesting Killorn isn't worth what you posted. HE'S JUST NOT WORTH THAT TO THE WINGS. Insulting people about their own teams needs isn't going to change that at all.
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:22 p.m.
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Ouch, I wasn't expecting much but man oh man this is BAD
«for him to go to the Wings it's a dump and we will take assets to take the contract». This would be true... if AK's contract was bad, which it's not. The fact that you don't even take this into calculation in your thinking tells me everything I need to hear.

«we are rebuilding through the draft». OK then this is the same thing I just explained to your fellow DRW fan.
-step I: take this deal
-step II: move AK for a 2nd in 2020 , a 2nd in 2021 and a 4th in 2020. You move up in 2020 while adding a 2021 pick and a 2022 one.

Again, the fact that you don't even think about doing something like this tells me everything I need to know about your NHL knowledge


Like I said: egotistical brat.
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:28 p.m.
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Like I said: egotistical brat.


Yeah I'm done arguing with someone who has no clue how the wings are building this team
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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And when he gets injured? Or doesn't have as good of a season(which is likely)? Dude give it up. No one is suggesting Killorn isn't worth what you posted. HE'S JUST NOT WORTH THAT TO THE WINGS. Insulting people about their own teams needs isn't going to change that at all.


LMAO you're so cute

«AnD wHeN hE gEtS iNjUrEd»... because you don't wait until he gets injured before flipping him, that's what a smart GM (which Steve is) would 100% do.

Again, think a bit more besides THAT ONE TRADE.

Ok he might not be worth that to DET. That would matter if you traded him for equal/worse value. Yet in our example he'd be flipped for a much better package. I don't get hat you don't get. It's simple logic.

Get a player under market value and then sell him for market value. You get more for him that what you paid for.WIN
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:31 p.m.
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Yeah I'm done arguing with someone who has no clue how the wings are building this team


I literally added 2 picks to your picks pool but ok lol
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:32 p.m.
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Those deals are way off base. Gourde and Johnson are going to require other assets to go along with them, or the return will be negligible at best (6-7th rounders) or both. I think Gourde is undervalued on TBL, he should be playing C (he's a much better C than a winger, he's way more engaged), but that contract is an albatross. Johnson's contract is just as bad, but I'm not sure he'll get better (he's already 30, so he's past his peak value years).

I think the value for Killorn is right, but the team is probably wrong. I'm willing to bet that MTL is the team that goes after Killorn. He probably returns a 3rd round pick (or maybe a 2nd in 2021).
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Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:32 p.m.
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Like I said: egotistical brat.


You aren't even trying to prove any of my logic wrong, it's ok lol but you really should do what I suggested
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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I literally added 2 picks to your picks pool but ok lol


Only in your fantasy world...
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:43 p.m.
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Only in your fantasy world...


It's not a fantasy world LOL, unless you consider «market value» a fantasy world, which I hope you're not
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.
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You aren't even trying to prove any of my logic wrong, it's ok lol but you really should do what I suggested


I already told why rebuilding teams don't do things like that but you're still arguing... I've moved on to insults now.
Oct. 5, 2020 at 4:52 p.m.
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I already told why rebuilding teams don't do things like that but you're still arguing... I've moved on to insults now.


So rebuilding teams don't try to move up in the draft while adding picks?

I'm NOT arguing that you need AK. Neither am I that a rebuilding team should give up a pick just for the heck of it.

I do argue that if you can use the player you're getting to get a better package than what you acquired him for, then you do without without second thoughts

Examples of teams doing this kind of thing:
-NJ signing Simmonds as a one year tryout and then moving him for a pick
-MTL adding Scandella for a 4th and moving him for a 2nd
-MTL signing Kovy just to move him later
...
...

In that regard, why is DET different to other teams?

They lose a middle pick while (in my proposal at least) adding 2 (better) picks and one other
Oct. 5, 2020 at 6:31 p.m.
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So rebuilding teams don't try to move up in the draft while adding picks?

I'm NOT arguing that you need AK. Neither am I that a rebuilding team should give up a pick just for the heck of it.

I do argue that if you can use the player you're getting to get a better package than what you acquired him for, then you do without without second thoughts

Examples of teams doing this kind of thing:
-NJ signing Simmonds as a one year tryout and then moving him for a pick
-MTL adding Scandella for a 4th and moving him for a 2nd
-MTL signing Kovy just to move him later
...
...

In that regard, why is DET different to other teams?

They lose a middle pick while (in my proposal at least) adding 2 (better) picks and one other


All three of those situations actually PROVE my point. Those teams thought they we're going to compete when they made those moves and then they didn't; so they unloaded them for picks. Rebuilding teams are under no such illusions. No GM of a rebuilding team gives up picks to get a thirty one year old on the off chance he plays just as well with a much sh*ttier team and stays healthy enough to trade at the deadline. Or rather no GM that wants to keep his job...
Oct. 5, 2020 at 6:57 p.m.
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All three of those situations actually PROVE my point. Those teams thought they we're going to compete when they made those moves and then they didn't; so they unloaded them for picks. Rebuilding teams are under no such illusions. No GM of a rebuilding team gives up picks to get a thirty one year old on the off chance he plays just as well with a much sh*ttier team and stays healthy enough to trade at the deadline. Or rather no GM that wants to keep his job...


Let's just forget the fact that I earlier said to NOT wait until the offseason is done before moving him...
 
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