Peace and Quiet

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Pulock, Ryan	6	$6,000,000
Toews, Devon	4	$4,000,000
Hutton, Grant	2	$700,000
Aho, Sebastian	2	$725,000
Barzal, Mathew	6	$8,000,000

ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$81,383,333	$0	$1,175,000	$116,667

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Lee, Anders $7,000,000$7,000,000 LW NTC UFA - 6	Barzal, Mathew $8,000,000$8,000,000 C, RW UFA - 3	Eberle, Jordan $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW NTC UFA - 4
Beauvillier, Anthony $2,100,000$2,100,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Nelson, Brock $6,000,000$6,000,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 5	Wahlstrom, Oliver $894,167$894,167 ($537,500$538K) RW RFA - 3
Dal Colle, Michael $700,000$700,000 LW UFA - 1	Pageau, Jean-Gabriel $5,000,000$5,000,000 C NTC UFA - 6	Bailey, Josh $5,000,000$5,000,000 RW, LW, C UFA - 4
Koivula, Otto $786,666$786,666 ($100,000$100K) LW, RW, C UFA - 1	Cizikas, Casey $3,350,000$3,350,000 C UFA - 1	Bardreau, Cole $700,000$700,000 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Pelech, Adam $1,600,000$1,600,000 LD UFA - 1	Pulock, Ryan $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD UFA - 2	Varlamov, Semyon $5,000,000$5,000,000 G NTC UFA - 3
Toews, Devon $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD UFA - 4	Dobson, Noah $894,167$894,167 ($537,500$538K) RD RFA - 2	Sorokin, Ilya $2,000,000$2,000,000 G UFA - 1
	Mayfield, Scott $1,450,000$1,450,000 RD UFA - 3
Aho, Sebastian $725,000$725,000 LD UFA - 2

Oct. 6, 2020 at 10:02 a.m.

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NJ accepts

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Oct. 6, 2020 at 10:11 a.m.

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Sabres accept

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Oct. 6, 2020 at 10:23 a.m.

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Toews and Barzal will want more than that if they are taking long term deals. NJ shouldn't accept that deal either, as they are exchanging two bad players, but getting the one with the worse contract.

Oct. 6, 2020 at 10:58 a.m.

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Quoting: ChytilMania

Toews and Barzal will want more than that if they are taking long term deals. NJ shouldn't accept that deal either, as they are exchanging two bad players, but getting the one with the worse contract.

Toews isn’t getting more than 4-4.25 mill on a 4 year deal.

The isles have already taken calls on Leddy. The reason why his advanced stats haven’t been good is because he’s been saddled with a bottom 5 defenseman in the league. He had multiple games in the playoffs with over 70% xGF% playing with Andy Greene and he still one of the best defenseman at leading the rush in the league.

Oct. 6, 2020 at 12:07 p.m.

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Quoting: Isles777

Toews isn’t getting more than 4-4.25 mill on a 4 year deal.

The isles have already taken calls on Leddy. The reason why his advanced stats haven’t been good is because he’s been saddled with a bottom 5 defenseman in the league. He had multiple games in the playoffs with over 70% xGF% playing with Andy Greene and he still one of the best defenseman at leading the rush in the league.

advanced stats are isolating. His impact on the ice is reflected by his analytics, and the people he plays with do not change that. Having multiple good games in the playoffs does not mean much considering the small sample size. He's also not a very good transition defenseman with a possession exit% of 32%, and a possession exit against% of 24%. He's not good, at all, and you would have to pay to get rid of him. And Toews is projected to get more than 4-4.25 mil by multiple contract projections, including that of EvolvingHockey.

Oct. 6, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.

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Quoting: ChytilMania

advanced stats are isolating. His impact on the ice is reflected by his analytics, and the people he plays with do not change that. Having multiple good games in the playoffs does not mean much considering the small sample size. He's also not a very good transition defenseman with a possession exit% of 32%, and a possession exit against% of 24%. He's not good, at all, and you would have to pay to get rid of him. And Toews is projected to get more than 4-4.25 mil by multiple contract projections, including that of EvolvingHockey.

The isles won’t have to pay to get rid of Leddy, they might have to retain some salary.

https://twitter.com/NHLRumorsDaily/status/1311140453656465408?s=20

I’m pretty sure EH projected Sean walker to sign for 3.7 mill, and he signed for 2.65 mill. They’re not always right. Toews cost himself some money during the playoffs so it’s very possible he comes in at around 4. In a recent athletic article, league executives/agents said they think toews gets 3.5-4 mill on a 4-5 year deal

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Oct. 6, 2020 at 2:39 p.m.

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Quoting: ChytilMania

advanced stats are isolating. His impact on the ice is reflected by his analytics, and the people he plays with do not change that. Having multiple good games in the playoffs does not mean much considering the small sample size. He's also not a very good transition defenseman with a possession exit% of 32%, and a possession exit against% of 24%. He's not good, at all, and you would have to pay to get rid of him. And Toews is projected to get more than 4-4.25 mil by multiple contract projections, including that of EvolvingHockey.

Quoting: Isles777

The isles won’t have to pay to get rid of Leddy, they might have to retain some salary.

https://twitter.com/NHLRumorsDaily/status/1311140453656465408?s=20

I’m pretty sure EH projected Sean walker to sign for 3.7 mill, and he signed for 2.65 mill. They’re not always right. Toews cost himself some money during the playoffs so it’s very possible he comes in at around 4. In a recent athletic article, league executives/agents said they think toews gets 3.5-4 mill on a 4-5 year deal

Quoting: Isles777

The isles won’t have to pay to get rid of Leddy, they might have to retain some salary.

https://twitter.com/NHLRumorsDaily/status/1311140453656465408?s=20

I’m pretty sure EH projected Sean walker to sign for 3.7 mill, and he signed for 2.65 mill. They’re not always right. Toews cost himself some money during the playoffs so it’s very possible he comes in at around 4. In a recent athletic article, league executives/agents said they think toews gets 3.5-4 mill on a 4-5 year deal

Tbh, I think you're both right. I do think Leddy's analytics are a little misleading and those same microstats say he's at the top of the league when it comes to shooting and o-zone entries. He's an excellent skater and I think with some more leeway, he could stick in a top-4 for as a solid puckmover/power play point man. That said, it's well known that he isn't amazing defensively, so that is definitely worth taking into account.

As for Toews, I think Marcus Petterson and Rasmus Andersson are comparable players to him. Not sure if he'll get less due to the flat cap, so I'm guessing a little on that, but I think something along those lines is reasonable

Oct. 6, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

Tbh, I think you're both right. I do think Leddy's analytics are a little misleading and those same microstats say he's at the top of the league when it comes to shooting and o-zone entries. He's an excellent skater and I think with some more leeway, he could stick in a top-4 for as a solid puckmover/power play point man. That said, it's well known that he isn't amazing defensively, so that is definitely worth taking into account.

As for Toews, I think Marcus Petterson and Rasmus Andersson are comparable players to him. Not sure if he'll get less due to the flat cap, so I'm guessing a little on that, but I think something along those lines is reasonable

A Marcus pettersson deal would be great for the isles, but I think instead of 4.025 x 5, toews signs for 4 years and becomes a UFA at 30 instead of 31

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Oct. 6, 2020 at 2:50 p.m.

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

Tbh, I think you're both right. I do think Leddy's analytics are a little misleading and those same microstats say he's at the top of the league when it comes to shooting and o-zone entries. He's an excellent skater and I think with some more leeway, he could stick in a top-4 for as a solid puckmover/power play point man. That said, it's well known that he isn't amazing defensively, so that is definitely worth taking into account.

As for Toews, I think Marcus Petterson and Rasmus Andersson are comparable players to him. Not sure if he'll get less due to the flat cap, so I'm guessing a little on that, but I think something along those lines is reasonable

Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

Tbh, I think you're both right. I do think Leddy's analytics are a little misleading and those same microstats say he's at the top of the league when it comes to shooting and o-zone entries. He's an excellent skater and I think with some more leeway, he could stick in a top-4 for as a solid puckmover/power play point man. That said, it's well known that he isn't amazing defensively, so that is definitely worth taking into account.

As for Toews, I think Marcus Petterson and Rasmus Andersson are comparable players to him. Not sure if he'll get less due to the flat cap, so I'm guessing a little on that, but I think something along those lines is reasonable

Also not all GMs take analytics into account and many of them overpay in trade/FA for defenseman with a flashy skillset

Oct. 6, 2020 at 2:56 p.m.

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

Tbh, I think you're both right. I do think Leddy's analytics are a little misleading and those same microstats say he's at the top of the league when it comes to shooting and o-zone entries. He's an excellent skater and I think with some more leeway, he could stick in a top-4 for as a solid puckmover/power play point man. That said, it's well known that he isn't amazing defensively, so that is definitely worth taking into account.

As for Toews, I think Marcus Petterson and Rasmus Andersson are comparable players to him. Not sure if he'll get less due to the flat cap, so I'm guessing a little on that, but I think something along those lines is reasonable

Those are good comparisons but Toews's offensive capabilities are much better than both those guys. Idk if you're familiar with him, but Jfreshhockey on twitter is a well-known hockey analytics guy and he makes his own models to determine market value (not contract projections) and Toews is north of $9,000,000. He's crazy good and any team would be blessed to have him.

Oct. 6, 2020 at 3:30 p.m.

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Quoting: ChytilMania

Those are good comparisons but Toews's offensive capabilities are much better than both those guys. Idk if you're familiar with him, but Jfreshhockey on twitter is a well-known hockey analytics guy and he makes his own models to determine market value (not contract projections) and Toews is north of $9,000,000. He's crazy good and any team would be blessed to have him.

Don't use Twitter much lol, but I am familiar with his work. It seems to vary from site to site. EH says Toews was worth less than both Pettersson and Andersson this season ($3.9 MM to their $7.1 MM and $5.8 MM, respectively), while HB Analytics (another guy I like a lot) has Toews worth almost double them, so it's tough to say. $4 million is an estimate on my part, which I know is a little harder to justify with just over $100k left in space, but seems like it's in the wheelhouse for guys in his role + plus whatever implications the flat cap might have. Really have no idea how they're going to handle RFA contracts, I've seen sooooo many numbers thrown out, especially on here, which I think has created some bias lol so $4-$4.25 million is what I've been working with of late

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Oct. 6, 2020 at 3:46 p.m.

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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina

Don't use Twitter much lol, but I am familiar with his work. It seems to vary from site to site. EH says Toews was worth less than both Pettersson and Andersson this season ($3.9 MM to their $7.1 MM and $5.8 MM, respectively), while HB Analytics (another guy I like a lot) has Toews worth almost double them, so it's tough to say. $4 million is an estimate on my part, which I know is a little harder to justify with just over $100k left in space, but seems like it's in the wheelhouse for guys in his role + plus whatever implications the flat cap might have. Really have no idea how they're going to handle RFA contracts, I've seen sooooo many numbers thrown out, especially on here, which I think has created some bias lol so $4-$4.25 million is what I've been working with of late

agents/league execs think that toews is going to come in at 3.5-4 mill FWIW. From arthur staples recent article

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2020
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2022

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Boychuk, Johnny $6,000,000$6,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 2
Johnston, Ross $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW UFA - 2

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