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Trading Down

Created by: noobmaster69
Initial Creation Date: Oct 6, 2020
Published: Oct 6, 2020 at 10:53
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Mikheyev, Ilya3$1,500,000
Dermott, Travis3$874,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
DeMelo, Dylan3$3,000,000
Fast, Jesper3$2,700,000
Larsson, Johan2$1,200,000
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Wallinder, William3$850,000
Barron, Justin3$850,000
Khusnutdinov, Marat3$850,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Pinto, Shane [Reserve List]
Additional Details:
2020 NYI 1st (28OA)
2020 OTT 2nd (33OA)
OTT
  1. Johnsson, Andreas
  2. Malgin, Denis
Additional Details:
2020 1st (15OA)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,520,450$0$0-$20,450

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
Fast, Jesper
$2,700,000
RW
UFA - 3
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
Larsson, Johan
$1,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
DeMelo, Dylan
$3,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,000
LD
RFA - 1
Wallinder, William
$850,000
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Barron, Justin
$850,000
Khusnutdinov, Marat
$850,000

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Matthews, A.
Tavares, J.
Hyman, Z.
Marner, M.
Rielly, M.
Power Play 2
Mikheyev, I.
Nylander, W.
Fast, J.
Robertson, N.
Muzzin, J.
Penalty Kill 1
Larsson, J.
Mikheyev, I.
Muzzin, J.
DeMelo, D.
Penalty Kill 2
Engvall, P.
Hyman, Z.
Lehtonen, M.
Holl, J.

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Oct 6, 2020 at 10:59
#1
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IF Lehtonen can plat at a top 4 level, I think this is a very solid team IMO.

But I think Gudas and Simmonds are likely coming to TOR...
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Oct 6, 2020 at 11:09
#2
Boi
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Ottawa says no pinto alone has as much value as the 15th oa
Oct 6, 2020 at 11:09
#3
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I don't have a problem trading Pinto, but his value might not be fully apparent. Pinto's going to be a decent, middle6 centre, but it's his value as a salary replacement when he finally arrives in Ottawa that might not be apparent. When Pinto arrives, Ottawa might have cap issues, and Pinto can replace a higher cap centre.

The 28th & 33rd picks are worth about the 12th overall pick

Denis Malgin adds no value to this trade, and actually makes it worse for both sides., Toronto prefers to keep him to help with the cap, and Ottawa doesn't want him.

So removing Malgin, and swapping #28 & #33 for #15, Toronto needs to add to the trade.

Instead you want a top 100 NHL prospect (until 7PM tonight) and you want to dump Andreas Johnsson, who Ottawa really doesn't want even if you added more because of his contract structure.

This is an easy no

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/
Oct 6, 2020 at 11:15
#4
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Quoting: sensibleguy
I don't have a problem trading Pinto, but his value might not be fully apparent. Pinto's going to be a decent, middle6 centre, but it's his value as a salary replacement when he finally arrives in Ottawa that might not be apparent. When Pinto arrives, Ottawa might have cap issues, and Pinto can replace a higher cap centre.

The 28th & 33rd picks are worth about the 12th overall pick

Denis Malgin adds no value to this trade, and actually makes it worse for both sides., Toronto prefers to keep him to help with the cap, and Ottawa doesn't want him.

So removing Malgin, and swapping #28 & #33 for #15, Toronto needs to add to the trade.

Instead you want a top 100 NHL prospect (until 7PM tonight) and you want to dump Andreas Johnsson, who Ottawa really doesn't want even if you added more because of his contract structure.

This is an easy no

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/


Nice analysis. I was about to make the same comment about Pinto and Malgin. I could see the pick swap happening (or at least something close) unless Toronto really likes somebody at #15.

OP probably needs to move Kerfoot to make this lineup work. Larsson is a solid replacement.
Oct 6, 2020 at 11:59
#5
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Quoting: sensibleguy
I don't have a problem trading Pinto, but his value might not be fully apparent. Pinto's going to be a decent, middle6 centre, but it's his value as a salary replacement when he finally arrives in Ottawa that might not be apparent. When Pinto arrives, Ottawa might have cap issues, and Pinto can replace a higher cap centre.

The 28th & 33rd picks are worth about the 12th overall pick

Denis Malgin adds no value to this trade, and actually makes it worse for both sides., Toronto prefers to keep him to help with the cap, and Ottawa doesn't want him.

So removing Malgin, and swapping #28 & #33 for #15, Toronto needs to add to the trade.

Instead you want a top 100 NHL prospect (until 7PM tonight) and you want to dump Andreas Johnsson, who Ottawa really doesn't want even if you added more because of his contract structure.

This is an easy no

https://thehockeywriters.com/nhl-top-100-prospects-ranking/


Thanks for the comment, what is your thinking on it being worth the 12th overall?
Oct 6, 2020 at 12:01
#6
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
IF Lehtonen can plat at a top 4 level, I think this is a very solid team IMO.

But I think Gudas and Simmonds are likely coming to TOR...


I don't mind Gudas for around 1.5M, but he will get overpaid by someone. I really hope Simmonds doesn't come to TO.
Oct 6, 2020 at 12:04
#7
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Ottawa says no pinto alone has as much value as the 15th oa


Pinto does not have more value then 15OA in a very deep draft year.
Oct 6, 2020 at 12:06
#8
Boi
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Quoting: ASoftDumpInTheCorner
Pinto does not have more value then 15OA in a very deep draft year.


Pinto is a top 10 prospect in the league yes he has more value
Oct 6, 2020 at 12:13
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Edited Oct 6, 2020 at 12:19
Quoting: ASoftDumpInTheCorner
Thanks for the comment, what is your thinking on it being worth the 12th overall?


It’s basically the draft pick value chart evaluation. It’s from 2011, but still very relevant. Ignore the columns being grouped by 30 picks, the 31 pick has the same value regardless of which column it’s in. It’s only people that downgrade a 2nd pick because it’s called a second pick. Pick 31 is still pick 31 whether there’s 10 teams, or 50 teams.

He’s the table in a TML blog
https://theleafsnation.com/2016/05/01/is-it-worth-it-to-trade-up-in-the-nhl-draft/

2nd Edit: the chart is best used for, 2 for 2 draft pick swaps, and not bad for, 2 for 1 draft pick swaps. Once you get into 3 for 1, the values don’t work as well because a bunch of low picks isn’t worth a high pick.
Oct 6, 2020 at 12:17
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Quoting: sensibleguy
It’s basically the draft pick value chart evaluation. It’s from 2011, but still very relevant. Ignore the columns being grouped by 30 picks, the 31 pick has the same value regardless of which column it’s in. It’s only people that downgrade a 2nd pick because it’s called a second pick. Pick 31 is still pick 31 whether there’s 10 teams, or 50 teams.

He’s the table in a TML blog
https://theleafsnation.com/2016/05/01/is-it-worth-it-to-trade-up-in-the-nhl-draft/


Interesting I didn't know that existed. Thanks
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Oct 6, 2020 at 1:39
#11
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Quoting: Bigboi69
Pinto is a top 10 prospect in the league yes he has more value


According to who? I have never seen him ranked that high by anyone. He might be the 10th best prospect prospect on Ottawa not the league
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