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Beaker and Laine

Created by: Eharr0613
Team: 2020-21 Philadelphia Flyers
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 8, 2020
Published: Oct. 8, 2020
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Description
Saving cap space for Hart, Sanheim, Laine extensions.
Deal in place with Dougie for extension (signed after expansion)

Protections
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Hayes
Patty
TK
Lindblom
Laine
Coots
Myers
Prov
Sanny
Hart

Makes JVR the option for Seattle (pick and it prospect to make that happen
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,135,000
3$3,250,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
1$2,500,000
1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
CAR
  1. Voracek, Jakub
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (PHI)
2.
WPG
  1. Frost, Morgan
  2. Gostisbehere, Shayne
  3. Laughton, Scott
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (PHI)
  5. 2022 1st round pick (PHI)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2021
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2022
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2023
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$66,817,466$66,037$652,500$14,682,534
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$4,995,000$4,995,000
C, RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW
UFA - 3
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$500,000$500K)
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$3,571,429$3,571,429
C
NMC
UFA - 6
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$5,500,000$5,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 5
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$4,137,500$4,137,500
RW, C
NMC
UFA - 2
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$1,135,000$1,135,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
$2,500,000$2,500,000
C
UFA - 1
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$1,075,000$1,075,000
RW
UFA - 2
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$1,200,000$1,200,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$4,725,000$4,725,000
LD
UFA - 5
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$730,833$730,833 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
G
RFA - 1
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$756,667$756,667 (Performance Bonus$70,000$70K)
LD/RD
RFA - 3
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$1,800,000$1,800,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
LD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:06 a.m.
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There is no way Winnipeg accept this lol
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:07 a.m.
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no way from Carolina, I think WPG deal needs a little more
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:08 a.m.
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There is no way Winnipeg accept this lol


That's funny... "According to sources close to Winnipeg's operations, the Jets have interest in LHD Shayne Gostisbehere, LW/C Scott Laughton and a first-round pick. Flyers defenseman, Travis Sanheim is also on the Jets radar, however, it appears the Flyers would like to move Gostisbehere instead."
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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That's funny... "According to sources close to Winnipeg's operations, the Jets have interest in LHD Shayne Gostisbehere, LW/C Scott Laughton and a first-round pick. Flyers defenseman, Travis Sanheim is also on the Jets radar, however, it appears the Flyers would like to move Gostisbehere instead."


Winnipeg does not want Ghost...a bench warming cap dump
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:10 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
That's funny... "According to sources close to Winnipeg's operations, the Jets have interest in LHD Shayne Gostisbehere, LW/C Scott Laughton and a first-round pick. Flyers defenseman, Travis Sanheim is also on the Jets radar, however, it appears the Flyers would like to move Gostisbehere instead."


Is that an Eklund E4 rumour?
Jets organization keeps their cards close to their chest...in all the time theyve been back very little has leaked out.
Of course the flyers would want to move Ghost instead of Sanheim...he's younger and better...same reason why the jets would want him
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:14 a.m.
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Canes definitely don’t take the guy y’all are trying to move because he is overpaid for Hamilton
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:15 a.m.
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Winnipeg does not want Ghost...a bench warming cap dump


The fact that you think he is a bench warming cap dump shows your lack of intelligence. You people do understand that Laine is completely one dimensional right? Like he really isn't a better hockey player than Travis Konecny.
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:16 a.m.
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The fact that you think he is a bench warming cap dump shows your lack of intelligence.


Im just seeing his lack of play in the playoffs....he never played for a good reason.
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:18 a.m.
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Im just seeing his lack of play in the playoffs....he never played for a good reason.


The reason was because AV was going for a defensive approach. The guy gets 35+ points every year, outside of last, and that is valuable.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:19 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The reason was because AV was going for a defensive approach. The guy gets 35+ points every year, outside of last, and that is valuable.


Nah...Not giving up Laine for that...We have enough Offence...we need defence
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:20 a.m.
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Carolina just pays Hamilton and avoids taking on that voracek contract
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:23 a.m.
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Quoting: ecupirate07
Canes definitely don’t take the guy y’all are trying to move because he is overpaid for Hamilton


I really don’t think the Carolina trade is that far off either. An organization like Carolina that often doesn’t want to spend up to the limit is probably going to consider something like this. The destination isn’t a sexy one, so getting a valuable top 6 guy (even if he’s a mill or two overpaid) for a guy who could potentially walk isn’t out of the realm of possibilities. Plus they have north of 4 mil locked up to 4 other D Men long term and two young guys in the pipe that are probably ready. Too 6 is the bigger need since the team survived and thrived with Beaker injured.

As far as the Laine deal, I saw the Athletic and reputable sources with that info. Think the hesitancy is probably Philly trying to avoid Patty or Frost.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The fact that you think he is a bench warming cap dump shows your lack of intelligence. You people do understand that Laine is completely one dimensional right? Like he really isn't a better hockey player than Travis Konecny.


That’s such and old narrative now. He isn’t really one-dimensional anymore. He had more assists than goals and was pretty average all round this year. If he continues his development, he could easily become a decent 2-way player.

Even if he was one dimensional, that one dimension is scoring goals, which comes at a premium in the nhl. So laine >> Konecny and there is no doubt in my mind which one I would rather have on my team (laine)

Anyways, he isn’t really one dimensional anymore, as I said before. Really wish people would stop saying that to justify their undervalued trades for him.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:27 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The reason was because AV was going for a defensive approach. The guy gets 35+ points every year, outside of last, and that is valuable.


He doesnt have value. He has been on the trading block for two seasons and no one has wanted him. he has been a helathy scratch multiple times in that time frame. If they could have gotten out from that contract Philly would have done it already
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.
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That’s such and old narrative now. He isn’t really one-dimensional anymore. He had more assists than goals and was pretty average all round this year. If he continues his development, he could easily become a decent 2-way player.

Even if he was one dimensional, that one dimension is scoring goals, which comes at a premium in the nhl. So laine >> Konecny and there is no doubt in my mind which one I would rather have on my team (laine)

Anyways, he isn’t really one dimensional anymore, as I said before. Really wish people would stop saying that to justify their undervalued trades for him.


No, no, he is one dimensional and still can't play D. Konecny is a good 2 way player who can put up 30+ goals so he is better than Laine.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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He doesnt have value. He has been on the trading block for two seasons and no one has wanted him. he has been a helathy scratch multiple times in that time frame. If they could have gotten out from that contract Philly would have done it already


No, he hasn't been on the trading block for 2 seasons, he was just recently made available. He also has been injured for the past year and a half.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The fact that you think he is a bench warming cap dump shows your lack of intelligence. You people do understand that Laine is completely one dimensional right? Like he really isn't a better hockey player than Travis Konecny.


Wasn't Ghost a healthy scratch numerous times this year? Also, I think it might be your "lack of intelligence" showing here. Laine gave up offense to work on the defensive side of the game and, although he's no Patrice Bergeron, he showed serious signs of improvement. That's what teams would be trading for. A 22 year old sniper who's capable of growing his game. Compare that to a 27 year old dman who's only regressed since he broke onto the scene as a 22 year old.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.
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I really don’t think the Carolina trade is that far off either. An organization like Carolina that often doesn’t want to spend up to the limit is probably going to consider something like this. The destination isn’t a sexy one, so getting a valuable top 6 guy (even if he’s a mill or two overpaid) for a guy who could potentially walk isn’t out of the realm of possibilities. Plus they have north of 4 mil locked up to 4 other D Men long term and two young guys in the pipe that are probably ready. Too 6 is the bigger need since the team survived and thrived with Beaker injured.

As far as the Laine deal, I saw the Athletic and reputable sources with that info. Think the hesitancy is probably Philly trying to avoid Patty or Frost.


I get that the Canes have a history but the history is history. Tom D spends money and wants to win. We were one of the few that didn’t cut operations budget.
We weren’t a sexy option I agree. We have improved facilities, especially practice facility (like 100 times better). Most importantly we are on the upswing finally. We’ll attract more guys as we continue our climb up the rankings.
We are committed to a stronger defense. This team is heavily involved in analytics. Analytically defenders’ production is much easier to predict and has less fluctuations. Goalies on the other hand have very little predictability and higher cost. We get more value and production out of a strong defense supporting a pair of middle of the road goalies than one great goalie supporting a middle of the road defense.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:42 a.m.
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No, he hasn't been on the trading block for 2 seasons, he was just recently made available. He also has been injured for the past year and a half.


he was in trade talks last off season and again this off season, thats two years. He is over paid by 2 million and is basically an offensive 3rd pairing dman. Still an NHL player but no value because of his contract.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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No, no, he is one dimensional and still can't play D. Konecny is a good 2 way player who can put up 30+ goals so he is better than Laine.


Laine has 62 more points then TK in 6 more games. Most of those games playing with a less than ideal C.
Both these guys are great hockey players and will only get better.
You're simply wrong to call Laine a one dimensional player when he's shown serious strides to get better.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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Quoting: Subbanator7667
he was in trade talks last off season and again this off season, thats two years. He is over paid by 2 million and is basically an offensive 3rd pairing dman. Still an NHL player but no value because of his contract.


He was never officially made available by Fletcher.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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Laine has 62 more points then TK in 6 more games. Most of those games playing with a less than ideal C.
Both these guys are great hockey players and will only get better.
You're simply wrong to call Laine a one dimensional player when he's shown serious strides to get better.


Except he hasn't. He is still a defensive liability. OZ starts of 58% and a corsi of 46% oof! Where as Konency has OZ starts of 46% and corsi of 54$...massive difference!
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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He was never officially made available by Fletcher.


'Officially' - its pretty well known that PhIlly wants to unload that contract for younger better players coming up, and no team has been takers. Pretty easy to conclude he doesnt have value at that cap hit.
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Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.
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Except he hasn't. He is still a defensive liability.


agree to disagree man. Im a season ticket holder and love the jets...Ive seen growth in his game that maybe you cant see from Philly. guys in the business will tell you the same.
Oct. 8, 2020 at 11:54 a.m.
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'Officially' - its pretty well known that PhIlly wants to unload that contract for younger better players coming up, and no team has been takers. Pretty easy to conclude he doesnt have value at that cap hit.


Just because he hasn’t moved doesn’t mean he doesn’t have any value. It means the Flyers feel the value is higher. If or when he comes out with his fixed knees (which happened during the layoff), the value is higher. 4.25 for 3 years is hardly some massive block. He’s the scape goat because JvR isn’t getting any action at 7 mill.
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