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Buffalo Sabres signed Zemgus Girgensons (3 Years / $2,200,000 AAV)

Was this a good signing?
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Oct 8, 2020 at 11:28
#26
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Quoting: LindyRuffRider
That's about what he's worth. Girgensons, Larsson, and Okposo were a stud shut down line last year.


Yeah they only combined for 56 points all season long. All 2 guys were minus platers, too. This is a lot of money and term for a below average 4th liner.
Oct 8, 2020 at 11:30
#27
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Every time Buffalo signs a contract, makes a trade, or drafts a player I'm reminded of how terrible they are. Terrible deal. No upside.
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Oct 8, 2020 at 11:54
#28
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Key member of one of the most underrated fourth lines in the game. If there's one line to keep around, it's this one. I like this signing.


Yes buuuut... for 2.2 million? Really?
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Oct 9, 2020 at 12:08
#29
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He's worth about 1.3 Million. An overpayment, but not like it's breaking the bank.
Oct 9, 2020 at 12:08
#30
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Biased here but love what Z brings to the team. Overpaid and too long of term. Could be taken by Seattle or traded pretty easily though
Oct 9, 2020 at 2:09
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Quoting: thelastlongbow
Yes buuuut... for 2.2 million? Really?


I had him pegged at 1.8x4. Lose a year of term for a few extra dollars. Not horrible.
Oct 9, 2020 at 2:16
#32
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Quoting: Wqrrior
I had him pegged at 1.8x4. Lose a year of term for a few extra dollars. Not horrible.


His value is around 1.3 Million so it's about a 900k overpayment. It's not a horrible deal because it's easily traded, but you could've got better value elsewhere.
Oct 9, 2020 at 2:19
#33
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Quoting: HabsForEver
His value is around 1.3 Million so it's about a 900k overpayment. It's not a horrible deal because it's easily traded, but you could've got better value elsewhere.


Who has set his value at 1.3M? He had a really good year. He's worth than the 1.6 he was getting last year. Not offensively crazy but a really solid line overall
Oct 9, 2020 at 2:22
#34
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Who has set his value at 1.3M? He had a really good year. He's worth than the 1.6 he was getting last year. Not offensively crazy but a really solid line overall


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Oct 9, 2020 at 2:24
#35
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Quoting: HabsForEver
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Meh. These charts still need to be blended with the eye test. There's only a select amount of data shown, and it doesn't account for the role he plays. He'd have go tten over 1.4M anywhere. This isn't an overpayment.
Oct 9, 2020 at 2:26
#36
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Quoting: Wqrrior
Meh. These charts still need to be blended with the eye test. There's only a select amount of data shown, and it doesn't account for the role he plays. He'd have go tten over 1.4M anywhere. This isn't an overpayment.


This chart shows what the market value for be to get a player that gives you the same result. Zemgus could've got more elsewehre but that doesn't mean it's a good deal.
Oct 9, 2020 at 2:49
#37
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Quoting: drewjenkins
So this guy is worth more than twice as much as Kahun's qualifying offer?

Legit.


Was Kahin eligible for arbitration? I presume they feared arbitration not the qo itself
Oct 9, 2020 at 4:14
#38
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me no like
Oct 9, 2020 at 5:03
#39
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Why they are still keeping this guy? Try someone from your system in the 4th line because with Zemgus in the line up Buffalo is not getting anything for a long time. I know that is not only his fault but he is not working out for this team so why not try something new?

And that contract is bad by the way.
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Oct 9, 2020 at 6:51
#40
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Quoting: aadoyle


Surprising but because of his skill they must be willing to overlook his attitude issues


Haven't heard anything about attitude issues, do you have any sources for that?
Oct 9, 2020 at 8:08
#41
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Zemgus Girgensons is the new Chris Kelsay. Bills fans will get this.
Oct 9, 2020 at 8:09
#42
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Quoting: Brian2016
Yeah they only combined for 56 points all season long. All 2 guys were minus platers, too. This is a lot of money and term for a below average 4th liner.


Points aren't everything, and plus minus is an outdated stat.

They were a very good line who played against other teams top lines and had overwhelming defensive zone starts.
Oct 9, 2020 at 8:12
#43
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Quoting: Noir_AG
Haven't heard anything about attitude issues, do you have any sources for that?


its completely made up. there has never been a whisper about girgensons.
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Oct 9, 2020 at 8:13
#44
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Quoting: BCAPP
Was Kahin eligible for arbitration? I presume they feared arbitration not the qo itself


What would a 30 point winger with 2 NHL seasons get in arbitration?

Probably less than $2,200,000. Not sure though.
Oct 9, 2020 at 8:13
#45
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Girgensons is fine as a player and the contract isn't outrageous.

You would just think the team would be moving on from these pre tank guys who have done nothing but lose.
Oct 9, 2020 at 8:14
#46
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Quoting: drewjenkins
What would a 30 point winger with 2 NHL seasons get in arbitration?

Probably less than $2,200,000. Not sure though.


evan rodrigues won 2 million in arbitration after putting up 2, 6, 25 and 29 points.
Oct 9, 2020 at 8:21
#47
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Quoting: drewjenkins
What would a 30 point winger with 2 NHL seasons get in arbitration?

Probably less than $2,200,000. Not sure though.


I don't know. I suspect his argument would be for PPG. He's a half a PPG player. So like 15/45. Maybe 3 mil? But yeah I'd rather him, I suspect they don't want him in their top 6.

Girgensons is a fine player but certainly not exceptional, but they better be damn confident he is on their 3rd line, paying this for a fourth liner with term is the epitome of stupidity
Oct 9, 2020 at 10:31
#48
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He's like a $1.2m player
Oct 9, 2020 at 10:38
#49
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Huge overpay. Honestly I thought Sabres would've let him go. If I was them I'd have taken Kahun over Girgensons anyday.
Oct 9, 2020 at 10:46
#50
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Overpaid for a 4th line player in the NHL
 
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