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Martinez for Cole

Created by: Mergus80
Initial Creation Date: Oct 11, 2020
Published: Oct 11, 2020 at 10:48
Team: 2020-21 Vegas Golden Knights
Team Explanation
*Coming from an Avalanche perspective, looking for a Vegas take*

Does this deal make sense for the Knights? Obviously they’re trying to move money out to sign Pietrangelo. Cole brings a lot of the same qualities as Martinez in the defensive zone, and off the ice with leadership and experience. Cole is more rugged and physical. Martinez is a better puck mover, a better skater, and a better overall player in my opinion.
Both players are going into the final year of their contracts.
Colorado gets an upgrade over Ian Cole without giving up an asset. Martinez can step into their top 4 and potentially play with Cale Makar while their other young defensemen continue to develop. They should have enough wiggle room to add the cap hit.
Things seem to be much tighter for Vegas as they chase down another big piece. The advantage here is the additional $1.875M in cap space, while also getting a somewhat comparable player back. Cole would be a solid 3rd pair D and penalty killer on their roster (assuming Pietrangelo signs).

Does that cap space move the needle for Vegas? Does this type of veteran D-for-veteran D trade even make sense for them?
Trades
VGK
  1. Cole, Ian ($2,125,000 retained)
COL
  1. Martinez, Alec
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Tomas Tatar: $500,000 (9%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
VGK
VGK
NJD
WPG
CAR
VGK
VGK
2022
VGK
VGK
VGK
WPG
VGK
BUF
VGK
VGK
2023
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
VGK
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
21$81,500,000$76,949,105$285,772$850,000$4,550,895
Left WingCenterRight Wing
VGK
Pacioretty, Max
$7,000,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
VGK
Karlsson, William
$5,900,000
C
NTC
UFA - 7
VGK
Stone, Mark
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
VGK
Marchessault, Jonathan
$5,000,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 4
VGK
Nosek, Tomas
$1,250,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
VGK
Smith, Reilly
$5,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
VGK
Stephenson, Chandler
$2,750,000
LW, C
UFA - 4
VGK
Glass, Cody
$863,333
C
RFA - 2
VGK
Tuch, Alex
$4,750,000
RW, LW
UFA - 6
VGK
Carrier, William
$1,400,000
LW
UFA - 4
VGK
Reaves, Ryan
$1,750,000
RW
UFA - 2
VGK
Roy, Nicolas
$750,000
RW, C
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
VGK
Schmidt, Nate
$5,950,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 5
VGK
Whitecloud, Zach
$725,000
RD
RFA - 2
VGK
Fleury, Marc-André
$7,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 2
VGK
Theodore, Shea
$5,200,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
VGK
Lehner, Robin
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 5
VGK
McNabb, Brayden
$2,500,000
LD
UFA - 2
VGK
Holden, Nick
$1,700,000
LD
UFA - 2
VGK
Dahlström, Carl
$850,000
LD
RFA - 1
COL
Cole, Ian
$1,325,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Oct 11, 2020 at 10:58
#1
Bluetomorrow83
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I don't see why there's retention looks like VGK would need to add. Both LD veterans with cup experience that can play both sides. Honestly don't see the fit as Graves plays with Makar in top 4 already.
Oct 11, 2020 at 10:58
#2
Foppa21
Joined: Jan 2017
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This would be like if the Caps and Pens made a swap two years ago. They're both the top teams in the west, so it's just not going to happen.
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Oct 11, 2020 at 10:59
#3
Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Joined: Jan 2020
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Pretty sure they wanna move Schmidt with Fleury.

If they move Martinez it would be for picks only (maybe a 2nd) because they need the cap space if they sign Pietrangelo.
Oct 11, 2020 at 11:14
#4
Mergus80
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Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
I don't see why there's retention looks like VGK would need to add. Both LD veterans with cup experience that can play both sides. Honestly don't see the fit as Graves plays with Makar in top 4 already.


As the description says... Colorado retains salary because Vegas is looking for cap relief. By retaining salary, the Avs upgrade from Cole to Martinez without giving up another asset.
Graves had an excellent first full season in the NHL, but he’s probably not the long-term answer as Makar’s partner, especially with Bowen Byram on the way. Even if Graves and Makar comes back together as a pair in the coming season, Martinez improves their defense.
Oct 11, 2020 at 11:18
#5
Mergus80
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Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
Pretty sure they wanna move Schmidt with Fleury.

If they move Martinez it would be for picks only (maybe a 2nd) because they need the cap space if they sign Pietrangelo.


The Schmidt rumors were all over Twitter this afternoon. I think he would be a terrific piece for the Avalanche to add, but as @Foppa21 points out, it would be unlikely for conference rivals to help each with a major deal like that.
I haven’t seen anything concrete about Fleury recently, but I’m sure they would like to move his money. I think it would take more than trading Schmidt to make room for Pietrangelo and to fill out their roster.
Oct 11, 2020 at 11:21
#6
Bluetomorrow83
Joined: Feb 2018
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Quoting: Mergus80
As the description says... Colorado retains salary because Vegas is looking for cap relief. By retaining salary, the Avs upgrade from Cole to Martinez without giving up another asset.
Graves had an excellent first full season in the NHL, but he’s probably not the long-term answer as Makar’s partner, especially with Bowen Byram on the way. Even if Graves and Makar comes back together as a pair in the coming season, Martinez improves their defense.


I read it still doesn't make sense. Mainly because of the two teams involved. COL is not going to help another top 4 contender in the West sign a top 3 league wide dman for the chance that Martinez is a slight upgrade over Cole or Graves.
Oct 11, 2020 at 11:59
#7
Mergus80
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Quoting: Bluetomorrow83
I read it still doesn't make sense. Mainly because of the two teams involved. COL is not going to help another top 4 contender in the West sign a top 3 league wide dman for the chance that Martinez is a slight upgrade over Cole or Graves.


I would argue that Martinez is more than a slight upgrade over either of those guys, but I get what you’re saying about Vegas and Colorado not wanting to help one another
Oct 12, 2020 at 12:12
#8
CivicWhistle861
Joined: Sep 2020
Posts: 24
Likes: 6
we want petro not Ian cole, and if we can't have petro we would just stick with the lineup we got going with right now.
 
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