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Team: 2020-21 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 12, 2020
Published: Oct. 12, 2020
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5 of the 6 defense that are starters on this team started the last game last year.
Forbort replaces Kulikov.
Talk was WPG needed 2- top4 d
DeMelo is definately not top pairing but looks like he will be playing on the 2nd pairing- Him and Forbort would be a great 3rd pairing. So where does WPG get defense for the top4?
For a Top 4 d like Severson, you will have to give up more than most will give.

Hoping Hamonic will sign a one year deal cheap

Who for the 3rd forward line can we get for Harkins and/or Appleton for around 2M?
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3$900,000
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1$2,000,000
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  1. Niku, Sami [RFA Rights]
  2. Perreault, Mathieu
  3. Poolman, Tucker
  4. Roslovic, Jack [RFA Rights]
  5. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
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LW
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C
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$8,250,000$8,250,000
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C, LW
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UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
G
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LD
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
RD
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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NJ declines. Quantity for quality never works.
Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:23 p.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
NJ declines. Quantity for quality never works.


Sorry but there is quality in that quantity
Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:30 p.m.
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Sorry but there is quality in that quantity


I see Roslovic and a bunch of meh.

I see nothing that'd cover the hole moving Severson leaves.
Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.
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I think you and I are the only Jets fans on here who don't think DeMelo is a top pairing dman.. Lol

I think DeMelo could be an okay 2nd pair guy if the Jets had a stud LHD to pair with him like say someone like H.Lindholm for example but the Jets don't have anyone like that.

I think the D core is somewhat better and Forbort was actually a good signing but the defense hasn't improved enough to go anywhere in the playoffs, still think it's too small especially the top pair which got run through by Calgary.

Would really like Severson and a one year deal for Hamonic but I think it'd take more than that to get Severson and I doubt the Devils would move him, they probably want to improve their defense, not weaken it.
Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:41 p.m.
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I see Roslovic and a bunch of meh.

I see nothing that'd cover the hole moving Severson leaves.


You have lots of Winnipeg fans that say Roslovic and Niku were misused in our system and need a change of scenery. Rumor yesterday that Roslovic and Niku were going to Vegas for Schmidt. Schmidt and Severson are comparable but I am a fan of Severson. Niku was AHL defensman of the year a few years back but fell out of favor with the coaches.
Perreault is useable for NJ for this year.
Poolman is finally healthy and played very well last year- we had high hopes for him but injuries really hurt him. Give him playing time and he will do well.
And a 3rd is still a 3rd
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I think you and I are the only Jets fans on here who don't think DeMelo is a top pairing dman.. Lol

I think DeMelo could be an okay 2nd pair guy if the Jets had a stud LHD to pair with him like say someone like H.Lindholm for example but the Jets don't have anyone like that.

I think the D core is somewhat better and Forbort was actually a good signing but the defense hasn't improved enough to go anywhere in the playoffs, still think it's too small especially the top pair which got run through by Calgary.

Would really like Severson and a one year deal for Hamonic but I think it'd take more than that to get Severson and I doubt the Devils would move him, they probably want to improve their defense, not weaken it.


I agree DeMelo isn’t a top pairing dman, he’s a good 2nd pairing guy. I was really hoping to see something big done and I wanted that Schmidt for Niku and Roslovic trade to happen yesterday. I still think Chevy should trade perreault and roslovic for picks and O/S Sergachev.
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 12:51 p.m.
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You have lots of Winnipeg fans that say Roslovic and Niku were misused in our system and need a change of scenery. Rumor yesterday that Roslovic and Niku were going to Vegas for Schmidt. Schmidt and Severson are comparable but I am a fan of Severson. Niku was AHL defensman of the year a few years back but fell out of favor with the coaches.
Perreault is useable for NJ for this year.
Poolman is finally healthy and played very well last year- we had high hopes for him but injuries really hurt him. Give him playing time and he will do well.
And a 3rd is still a 3rd


Normally those two wouldn't be even close to Schmidt in terms of value - it's just that VGK is in dire need of shedding salary.

After Johnsson acquisition, NJ has no need for Perreault whatsoever.

Poolman is a guy Jets shouldn't move. He's relatively cheap.

3rd is a 3rd indeed. But all the latter assets are just meh throw-in that won't change the core problem - the fact that Severson is more valuable than any piece in the exchange and quantity just doesn't mean as much as quality does when it comes to trades.
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:03 p.m.
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I agree DeMelo isn’t a top pairing dman, he’s a good 2nd pairing guy. I was really hoping to see something big done and I wanted that Schmidt for Niku and Roslovic trade to happen yesterday. I still think Chevy should trade perreault and roslovic for picks and O/S Sergachev.


add Niku to the trade list and if Sergachev would accept an offer sheet from us then offer away. Sergachev and Morrissey would be a great 1st pairing.
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:07 p.m.
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Normally those two wouldn't be even close to Schmidt in terms of value - it's just that VGK is in dire need of shedding salary.

After Johnsson acquisition, NJ has no need for Perreault whatsoever.

Poolman is a guy Jets shouldn't move. He's relatively cheap.

3rd is a 3rd indeed. But all the latter assets are just meh throw-in that won't change the core problem - the fact that Severson is more valuable than any piece in the exchange and quantity just doesn't mean as much as quality does when it comes to trades.


a good argument but just trying to find a Severson type of player for WPG
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:08 p.m.
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add Niku to the trade list and if Sergachev would accept an offer sheet from us then offer away. Sergachev and Morrissey would be a great 1st pairing.


Morrissey-Sergachev
DeMelo-Pionk
Forbort-Poolman
Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:12 p.m.
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a good argument but just trying to find a Severson type of player for WPG


A prospect like Vesalainen or a 1st rounder should be included in the exchange in that case.
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:15 p.m.
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I agree DeMelo isn’t a top pairing dman, he’s a good 2nd pairing guy. I was really hoping to see something big done and I wanted that Schmidt for Niku and Roslovic trade to happen yesterday. I still think Chevy should trade perreault and roslovic for picks and O/S Sergachev.


I agree, I'm down for trading Roslovic if the return is good like a Schmidt or for decent picks but not to just dump Perreault or for a rental like Martinez or for crappy picks like a measly 3rd.

Sergachev would be great but would he sign an offersheet with the Jets, maybe but realistically idk if he would, would be so worth the picks if he did though.
Also the reality is Chevy just isn't aggressive enough to do an offersheet who are we kidding.. 😃
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Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:19 p.m.
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Morrissey-Sergachev
DeMelo-Pionk
Forbort-Poolman


Would Tampa accept a Heinola and a 1st for Sergachev?
Oct. 12, 2020 at 1:23 p.m.
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A prospect like Vesalainen or a 1st rounder should be included in the exchange in that case.


I would consider Vesalainen. Pionk, and Perreault
Oct. 12, 2020 at 2:12 p.m.
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Would Tampa accept a Heinola and a 1st for Sergachev?


They should, not sure if they would but they should.
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They should, not sure if they would but they should.


If Sergachev is offer sheeted for $6.5M for 6 years. Can Tampa match it? Isn't Heinola and a 1st more valuable than a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd?
Oct. 12, 2020 at 2:25 p.m.
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If Sergachev is offer sheeted for $6.5M for 6 years. Can Tampa match it? Isn't Heinola and a 1st more valuable than a 1st, 2nd, and a 3rd?


Yes heinola is more valuable than that. The issue is whether or not they feel an O/S is a threat. If Chevy was a good gm he’d say okay, either you take my deal with heinola + 1st or I O/S him 6x7m and hope he signs it. If Tampa matches, then Cirelli is gone and cernak too. No one took Johnson and he was on waivers.... the whole league knows how much of a bad spot they’re in. No one is doing them favours.
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