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32 Thoughts about how the Pens can extend the window beyond 2 years

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32 Thoughts about this team...LOL

1-As I begin this, the pens have only 4 forwards, 3 defensemen, and 1 goalie under contract.
GMJR has assembled this team with a 2 year window--and LOADS of cap space after that.
this is really good because it gives us a top-10 team in the league on paper for the next 2 years, but then it places us at a crossroads. whether the pens keep trying to compete or not will depend on the team's performance in the next 2 years.
2-for the sake of this team I will assume the team can regain the "hard to play against" mentality with youth, speed, and tenacity. in this case the team would actually be able to extend the window IF IF IF--the PERFECT moves are made.

3-WSH resigned Nick Backstrom for way too much for way too long. if I had to guess they will do that with OVI as well. the capitals window I think is barely open after losing holtby. Schultz was awful with PIT and I don't think he makes their blue line better at all.
4-my point to bringing up Washington is PIT can go down the same road if they choose to overpay Geno and Tanger. if they get what they are getting now just for sentimentality's sake, PIT will be old and awful alot quicker.
5-87/71/58 cannot carry this team. they need a great young supporting cast. this has started to be assembled in the last couple years with Guentzel, McCann, Kapanen, jarry, Pettersson, marino, and maybe PO Joseph and Poulin. more needs to be done for this team to have any shot at contending for a playoff spot.
6-I think Geno and Tanger are alot more reasonable and would take discounts to want to see if they can pull off another playoff run. Letang and Malkin take 3 year deals to finish their contracts with Sid and at that point my guess is Geno plays in the KHL and Sid plays till he's 42 lol jk. BTW how cool would it be to see Alex Letang and Nikita Malkin playing for the pens in 2035??

7- I am making several assumptions below regarding pens players. matheson isn't very good as a penguin and is a huge waste of $$. he is sent to Seattle.
8-Jarry becomes a legit #1NHL goalie
9-At least 3 pens prospects or young players (current picks or future ones/acquired by trade/college FA) are able to contribute at an NHL level. for sake of relevance I used Joseph, Maniscalco, and Poulin.
10-Pettersson and Marino continue developing into a top D-pair.

11-Notes: I used Blomqvist, Lee, and O'Connor (who GMJR always calls "O'Sullivan" and it drives me crazy) as placeholders for whoever is the inexpensive extras. I think between the two G prospects drafted and desmith plus FA PIT can find a good backup for Jarry.

12-so as I mentioned earlier, matheson gets moved to Seattle for cap reasons and bc he stinks.
(as an aside, I'm hoping for the best and I think there is a legitimate shot he can revive his career in Pittsburgh.)

13-What the Pittsburgh Penguins would have to have happen (to compete for a cup) is acquire a superstar to supplement the aging core. the New York Islanders have (I think) one of the oldest rosters in the NHL currently. like seriously name me their good players and ages. now add 2. IDK if this will happen but I'd love to see it. I don't care what Barzal costs--either contract $$ or prospects and picks.

14-Rust and Marino get raises as well as Joseph, Blueger, and ZAR if they deserve it.

15-I don't think the Bergeron thing will happen but the pens need a two way #3C. Bergeron isn't the best option bc he's old and will prob finish in boston.

16-Jesper Bratt IDK much about. I just needed a cheaper wing option.

17-I kept ZAR-Blueger-Tanev together but IDK if that line will stick. I hope it does.

18-The team has a good mix of speed (Barzal, Rust, Kapanen, Tanev), tenacity/physicality (Tanev, ZAR, Bleuger, Poulin) , A superstar (Barzal), scoring (Guentzel, rust, Barzal) and a veteran presence (Sid, Geno, Bergeron) for forwards.
19-On D, The well-balanced but older Letang-Dumo pairing, Marino ( I think can be a #1) and Pettersson (hopefully is more like Dumoulin than Maatta), and a youngsters pairing (or other players) of Joseph who can fly and the well rounded college D Maniscalco.
20-jarry has the net. no murray fighting for playing time. no Fleury so no fans bellowing for the backup to play hopefully. no pressure--but we want a cup. Backup--}whoever is competent.

21-coaches===is sully still the coach?? IDK maybe. if sully, velucci, and rierden are still coaches that prob means the team has had success.

22-this team kind of factors in this, but all Stanley cup winning teams have some young kids come out of nowhere and perform at a high level and get them over the top. the pens had it in 2016/17. Tampa had some young studs. anyone hear of Binnington? someone not even mentioned or even known about will have to make an impact.

23-I put the cap up only 1 mil. when it goes up finally and how much IDK but I hope NHL revenues recover.

24-I don't have Coleman in the starting lineup but I like him as a bottom-6 flexible forward who can bring intensity. look at how he helped Tampa.

25-random thought--Sid and Geno are I think 100% hall of famers. what about Letang. I say yes, but he's not loaded with hardware except cups...bergeron probably as well.

26-PP options. (PP1---Sid down low, Geno right half wall, letang at the point, BARZAL IN THE LEFT CIRCLE FINALLY A RH SHOT!!!, Guentzel high slot or rover.)
27-PP2---Bergeron and Poulin down low around the net/netfront sometimes/slot sometimes. the around the horn Joseph, Kapanen, and rust.

28-PK options--ZAR, blueger, tanev, Bergeron of course but also--rust, Kapanen--and for fun throw out Sid and Barzal bc why not?--bc I don't want Barzal taking a shot off the instep... what is it sully? -"[barzal is] week to week with a lower body injury"...

29-How many assets can this team get selling off players when the core retires???
30-is any of this even semi-realistic? how does this team do? can this team compete for a cup?
31-I have barely mentioned Jesper Bratt. someone give me a scouting report on him please!
32-i'm running out....so.....Happy Thanksgiving!
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      if the islanders are selling and rebuilding what else is necessary for the Barzal deal above?
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        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:16 p.m.
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        That Barzal Deal is really bad for the Islanders.
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:17 p.m.
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        Quoting: KrisBeKreame
        That Barzal Deal is really bad for the Islanders.


        what's a price in your opinion.
        I am thinking 2-3 first round picks, our two best prospects (whoever they are at that time), and a roster player. I put McCann who is a winger/center who's young and has potential to be a #2C
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:19 p.m.
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        2 years.
        With the current 3rd line the window is already closed.
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:21 p.m.
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        what's a price in your opinion.
        I am thinking 2-3 first round picks, our two best prospects (whoever they are at that time), and a roster player. I put McCann who is a winger/center who's young and has potential to be a #2C


        You are asking for a 1C but offering nothing that can replace that. Would Pittsburg trade prime Crosby for that? Im not calling Barzal equal to prime Crosby but look at what a player like Crosby means to a franchise
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:22 p.m.
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        If the Islanders were going to rebuild, why would they trade 22yo Barzal?
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:30 p.m.
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        The islanders aren’t rebuilding. The old players are healthy scratches or buried in BPT (ladd(34) boychuk (37) etc..

        Ages of the isles top 6 and top 4 D next season

        23-23-30
        30-29-20

        26-26
        29-20

        Also have a 25 year old potential franchise G (sorokin)
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 7:36 p.m.
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        31. Jesper Bratt is a young skilled, playmaking winger, can play both right and left. Great hands, great stick-handling. Was drafted late (6th round). A bit undersized, but doesn't seem to know it yet. Pass first, has good short shot that they want him to use more, but looks pass first. Really starting clicking well with Gusev in latter half of season.

        If the NJD rebuild is centered around (1) Hischier, (2) Hughes, (3) Blackwood, Bratt would be #4 on the list. He is pretty much untouchable.

        Enjoy some highlights. He is #63.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svt09Bp6BFg
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 8:23 p.m.
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        Quoting: Isles777
        The islanders aren’t rebuilding. The old players are healthy scratches or buried in BPT (ladd(34) boychuk (37) etc..

        Ages of the isles top 6 and top 4 D next season

        23-23-30
        30-29-20

        26-26
        29-20

        Also have a 25 year old potential franchise G (sorokin)


        yes, I get your point but in 2 years the team isn't as "young"....I'm just thinking NYI isn't a contender in 2 years IDK maybe I'm wrong.
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 8:24 p.m.
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        Quoting: Pens3lieve
        yes, I get your point but in 2 years the team isn't as "young"....I'm just thinking NYI isn't a contender in 2 years IDK maybe I'm wrong.


        So why would we trade a 23 year old franchise center? Lol . Rebuilding or not they would never trade barzal
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 8:24 p.m.
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        Quoting: NHLfan10506
        31. Jesper Bratt is a young skilled, playmaking winger, can play both right and left. Great hands, great stick-handling. Was drafted late (6th round). A bit undersized, but doesn't seem to know it yet. Pass first, has good short shot that they want him to use more, but looks pass first. Really starting clicking well with Gusev in latter half of season.

        If the NJD rebuild is centered around (1) Hischier, (2) Hughes, (3) Blackwood, Bratt would be #4 on the list. He is pretty much untouchable.

        Enjoy some highlights. He is #63.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svt09Bp6BFg


        wow. just thought he was a middle-6 wing....well he'd be a good piece for any team then...
        does NJD have an older less untouchable winger that's cheaper and can play 3rd line?? I was just looking to clear Zucker's cap and get younger. for zucker and a 1st who is available?
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 8:25 p.m.
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        So why would we trade a 23 year old franchise center? Lol . Rebuilding or not they would never trade barzal


        extremely unlikely I know.
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 8:25 p.m.
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        2 years.
        With the current 3rd line the window is already closed.


        I agree.
        Oct. 12, 2020 at 10:01 p.m.
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        wow. just thought he was a middle-6 wing....well he'd be a good piece for any team then...
        does NJD have an older less untouchable winger that's cheaper and can play 3rd line?? I was just looking to clear Zucker's cap and get younger. for zucker and a 1st who is available?


        I think NJD would be more interested in defensive LD than Zucker. Zucker shouldn't be hard to move though. Look at all the teams that have been trying to acquire Palmieiri...would be similar list of suitors for Zucker, I assume.

        Maybe CBJ?
        Oct. 13, 2020 at 8:46 a.m.
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        I think NJD would be more interested in defensive LD than Zucker. Zucker shouldn't be hard to move though. Look at all the teams that have been trying to acquire Palmieiri...would be similar list of suitors for Zucker, I assume.

        Maybe CBJ?


        ok. depending on what happens, one or more of the Pens LHD will be available sometime soon I think. we have 5 guys there, but Pettersson and Riikola are the only younger guys.
        Oct. 13, 2020 at 9:38 a.m.
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        ok. depending on what happens, one or more of the Pens LHD will be available sometime soon I think. we have 5 guys there, but Pettersson and Riikola are the only younger guys.


        What does Pittsburgh need?
        Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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        What does Pittsburgh need?


        unfortunately I think they think they are done except for maybe a depth piece...
        but personally, I'd like a better #3RHD option, a middle-6 player that can jump up into the top-6 with speed and tenacity (either a C or a RW would be best), and maybe a depth backup goalie.
        Oct. 15, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
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        @Pens3lieve It's a pretty good team but a couple of things:

        *Zucker should be worth more than Bratt, he's a proven top 6 forward who's scored 30 goals. So it would be Bratt + 2nd for Zucker.
        *Coleman deserves more money after the playoffs he had. I would say at least 3+ million.
        *The Barzal trade value is fair but the Islanders view him as untouchable. I even think giving 2 lottery picks plus all that is an overpay.
         
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