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Created by: Yesyesyes2020
Team: 2020-21 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 13, 2020
Published: Oct. 13, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
6$9,000,000
5$5,500,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
2$800,000
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1$800,000
1$1,500,000
1$800,000
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NYI
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    DET
    1. Boychuk, Johnny
    2. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (NYI)
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    NYI
    1. Parise, Zach ($1,500,000 retained)
    MIN
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    NYI
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      OTT
      1. Komarov, Leo
      2. 2022 2nd round pick (COL)
      Buyouts
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      Oct. 13, 2020 at 4:37 p.m.
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      That is a lot to give up for parise and we’re adding salary. All the depth roles should be filled with players on their ELC. They don’t need Parise
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      Oct. 13, 2020 at 4:40 p.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      That is a lot to give up for parise and we’re adding salary. All the depth roles should be filled with players on their ELC. They don’t need Parise

      I know we don’t need parise but I want to get rid of Ladd and I don’t think we can do so without giving up a lot of assets. I think Minnesota might be the only team in the league with any incentive to take his contract. I also think parise would be great for the locker room and the power play.
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 4:42 p.m.
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      Quoting: Yesyesyes2020
      I know we don’t need parise but I want to get rid of Ladd and I don’t think we can do so without giving up a lot of assets. I think Minnesota might be the only team in the league with any incentive to take his contract. I also think parise would be great for the locker room and the power play.


      The isles are better off burying Ladd in Bridgeport and waiting until he suffers an injury and retires.

      Parise can easily fall off a cliff next season, it’s not worth it. You’re also giving up a 1st when we didn’t have one this year, bellows, and a D prospect with 2nd pairing upside after we traded toews? It just seems reckless
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 4:48 p.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      The isles are better off burying Ladd in Bridgeport and waiting until he suffers an injury and retires.

      Parise can easily fall off a cliff next season, it’s not worth it. You’re also giving up a 1st when we didn’t have one this year, bellows, and a D prospect with 2nd pairing upside after we traded toews? It just seems reckless


      to be fair the 2021 draft class is super weak.
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.
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      Quoting: Lightman13
      to be fair the 2021 draft class is super weak.


      They still can’t afford to trade two 1st rd picks in a row
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 6:48 p.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      They still can’t afford to trade two 1st rd picks in a row


      Agreed. Our prospect system is thin enough as is. Sure we have Wahlstrom and Dobson, but those guys will graduate after next year. After that, pretty much all we got is Wilde, a good prospect, but in a position we already have pretty well covered.
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      Oct. 13, 2020 at 6:57 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hawkisles
      Agreed. Our prospect system is thin enough as is. Sure we have Wahlstrom and Dobson, but those guys will graduate after next year. After that, pretty much all we got is Wilde, a good prospect, but in a position we already have pretty well covered.


      I saw on twitter that Vande sompel is 1 of 7 prospects drafted in the last 5 years who haven’t played an nhl game that have at least a 40% star probability ... Hopefully he can rebound from his injury.

      I also think iskhakov will be a stud. He is at a point per game in Liiga right now , 2nd on his team, 8th in the league. The scouts/reporters over in Finland call him the Russian magician lol
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 10:07 p.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      I saw on twitter that Vande sompel is 1 of 7 prospects drafted in the last 5 years who haven’t played an nhl game that have at least a 40% star probability ... Hopefully he can rebound from his injury.

      I also think iskhakov will be a stud. He is at a point per game in Liiga right now , 2nd on his team, 8th in the league. The scouts/reporters over in Finland call him the Russian magician lol


      Problem is Thompson will never sign off on a prospect that plays speedy new age hockey and Lou has no interest in those kind of players unless they’re already proven. Sadly, they’ll languish.
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hawkisles
      Problem is Thompson will never sign off on a prospect that plays speedy new age hockey and Lou has no interest in those kind of players unless they’re already proven. Sadly, they’ll languish.


      I mean I would say toews plays new age hockey.

      So you don’t think lou will sign iskhakov to an ELC if he’s emerging into one of our best forward prospects?
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:31 p.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      I mean I would say toews plays new age hockey.

      So you don’t think lou will sign iskhakov to an ELC if he’s emerging into one of our best forward prospects?


      Yes, Toews played new age hockey. And he ended up being the first cap casualty on a team full of better options to lose.

      I think he’ll get his ELC, get sent to Bridgeport, get relegated to the 3rd line for “not putting defense first”, and maybe getting an NHL look 3-4 years later than he should have.
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:35 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hawkisles
      Yes, Toews played new age hockey. And he ended up being the first cap casualty on a team full of better options to lose.

      I think he’ll get his ELC, get sent to Bridgeport, get relegated to the 3rd line for “not putting defense first”, and maybe getting an NHL look 3-4 years later than he should have.
      They didn’t trade toews because they didn’t want him they traded him because they couldn’t afford him and they got assets that could be used to take another bad contract.
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:44 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hawkisles
      Yes, Toews played new age hockey. And he ended up being the first cap casualty on a team full of better options to lose.

      I think he’ll get his ELC, get sent to Bridgeport, get relegated to the 3rd line for “not putting defense first”, and maybe getting an NHL look 3-4 years later than he should have.


      Trotz is the main reason why toews got traded and leddy will remain an islander - The thing hes not even a trotz type of player. Hes awful defensively and hes not physical. I don't get it.

      Regarding iskhakov, hes actually good defensively - really solid pk guy, If that's what they keep on doing with prospects, Lou and trotz need to go.
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      Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:58 p.m.
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      Quoting: Yesyesyes2020
      They didn’t trade toews because they didn’t want him they traded him because they couldn’t afford him and they got assets that could be used to take another bad contract.


      True, but I have a tough time believing literally no one would have picked up Leddy, a lesser player who makes way more than Toews would have gotten after arbitration, on waivers or for future considerations. At some point, it does come down to what kind of player Lou/Trotz wanted on the roster.
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      Trotz is the main reason why toews got traded and leddy will remain an islander - The thing hes not even a trotz type of player. Hes awful defensively and hes not physical. I don't get it.

      Regarding iskhakov, hes actually good defensively - really solid pk guy, If that's what they keep on doing with prospects, Lou and trotz need to go.


      Tell me you wouldn’t be shocked if this happened though
      Oct. 13, 2020 at 11:59 p.m.
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      Quoting: Hawkisles
      Tell me you wouldn’t be shocked if this happened though


      with iskhakov?
      Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:00 a.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      with iskhakov?


      Yeah
      Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:06 a.m.
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      Yeah


      I think if he produces, hell get called up - but how is trotz going to handle him? Koivula, wahlstrom , and bellows all start on the 3rd line - one mistake and they get demoted to the 4th line with the grinders. If they don't produce there, they are sent back to Bridgeport. Its almost as if trotz wants them to fail. How they handle prospects is more on trotz than Lou IMO - nylander, Marner, Kapanen, and a few other young guys started their careers under Lou. Babcock favors vets too, but hes nowhere near as bad as trotz in that regard, so they played and got better.

      Aho sat in the press box for 19 games. You're telling me trotz couldn't get him in 1 game after all hes accomplished? The Andy Greene trade was not made because he was needed, it was just to make trotz more comfortable.
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      Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:09 a.m.
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      Quoting: Hawkisles
      True, but I have a tough time believing literally no one would have picked up Leddy, a lesser player who makes way more than Toews would have gotten after arbitration, on waivers or for future considerations. At some point, it does come down to what kind of player Lou/Trotz wanted on the roster.
      it’s not that they couldn’t get rid of leddy someone definitely would take him but we wouldn’t get 2 2nd rounders for him. We need those picks to trade to another team to take another lousy contract whether it be boychuk or komorov. Also worst case scenario if we have to move a first to move boychuk we won’t be waiting until the 3rd round for the second year in a row.
      Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:11 a.m.
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      Quoting: Isles777
      I think if he produces, hell get called up - but how is trotz going to handle him? Koivula, wahlstrom , and bellows all start on the 3rd line - one mistake and they get demoted to the 4th line with the grinders. If they don't produce there, they are sent back to Bridgeport. Its almost as if trotz wants them to fail. How they handle prospects is more on trotz than Lou IMO - nylander, Marner, Kapanen, and a few other young guys started their careers under Lou. Babcock favors vets too, but hes nowhere near as bad as trotz in that regard, so they played and got better.

      Aho sat in the press box for 19 games. You're telling me trotz couldn't get him in 1 game after all hes accomplished? The Andy Greene trade was not made because he was needed, it was just to make trotz more comfortable.
      I thought Greene looked good for us he’s a reliable bottom pair defenseman and a good locker room guy it’s not the best idea to rely on a prospect to produce on a team that’s built for the present.
      Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:15 a.m.
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      I thought Greene looked good for us he’s a reliable bottom pair defenseman and a good locker room guy it’s not the best idea to rely on a prospect to produce on a team that’s built for the present.


      The way Greene performed is irrelevant to the point im trying to make. The team is built for the present , but they have more than enough vets where they can afford to insert some youth into the lineup. Aho is 24 , hes performed at a high level in the AHL, and in his 22 game stint with the isles in 17-18 he was very impressive. He deserved a shot.

      staple was speculating that Aho was going back to Sweden and most isles fans think hes not good enough to play in the NHL because he hasn't gotten in any games - but the truth is on most other teams Aho would be a regular by now and if for some odd reason we try to send him to Bridgeport after training camp, he will not clear waivers
       
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