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The Athletic and 31 thoughts

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Team: 2020-21 Colorado Avalanche
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There were talks from an Athletic article saying that they think Colorado will make more moves. Then 31 thoughts comes out and Elliot brings up talk about Jost for Weegar swap. I threw in Cole because I think the Panthers could benefit from his defensive game.
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Oct. 14, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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Only downside here is that you're basically trading for Weegar knowing that Seattle will probably take him.
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:06 p.m.
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Only downside here is that you're basically trading for Weegar knowing that Seattle will probably take him.

You get Erik Johnson to waive his no move and Colorado is good to go. I’m starting to think Seattle will take a player like Compher, a young guy who can be a legit bottom 6 player for them, right shot too.
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:24 p.m.
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Avs fans are very lucky to have a GM like Sakic.
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Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:28 p.m.
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You get Erik Johnson to waive his no move and Colorado is good to go. I’m starting to think Seattle will take a player like Compher, a young guy who can be a legit bottom 6 player for them, right shot too.


Easier said than done. If Seattle has a chance at a young defenseman like Weegar or Graves, they'll take them. They don't come around all that often. As for Compher and Donskoi, the Avs may have to look at moving them out this summer due to Toews' contract (likely in the $4-4.5 range) and the bonuses Makar will likely hit ($2.5 mil).
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:33 p.m.
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Quoting: Foppa21
Only downside here is that you're basically trading for Weegar knowing that Seattle will probably take him.


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You get Erik Johnson to waive his no move and Colorado is good to go. I’m starting to think Seattle will take a player like Compher, a young guy who can be a legit bottom 6 player for them, right shot too.


That's what first-round picks are for.
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:36 p.m.
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Weegar played 95% of his shifts this year on the Left side.
Im against trading for him with the expectation to experiment with him on the right side

https://leftwinglock.com/players/index.php?p1=MacKenzie%20Weegar&flag=y
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:41 p.m.
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Easier said than done. If Seattle has a chance at a young defenseman like Weegar or Graves, they'll take them. They don't come around all that often. As for Compher and Donskoi, the Avs may have to look at moving them out this summer due to Toews' contract (likely in the $4-4.5 range) and the bonuses Makar will likely hit ($2.5 mil).


I see what you’re saying but anything is magic when Sakic is involved and you can always package a draft pick with EJ
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:43 p.m.
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Weegar played 95% of his shifts this year on the Left side.
Im against trading for him with the expectation to experiment with him on the right side

https://leftwinglock.com/players/index.php?p1=MacKenzie%20Weegar&flag=y


Weegar can play both right and left. 95% in Florida will be different when he’s around more defensive talent in Colorado.
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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That's what first-round picks are for.


Not when you don't have second round picks for the next two years. You look at all of the successful playoff teams these days and what do they have in common? Players on ELCs. Gotta build through the draft.
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Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
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Weegar can play both right and left. 95% in Florida will be different when he’s around more defensive talent in Colorado.


Still hard pass.

Any defenceman can "physically" play both sides but 95/5 is a heavily favored to one side (theres bound to be a small handicap to playing your offside - especially as a D as you'd recieve D to D pass on your backhand, then need to stick handle it to your fore hand just to make a pass).

You cant argue that he probably loses 5-10% effectiveness playing on his least comfortable side
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:58 p.m.
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Not when you don't have second round picks for the next two years. You look at all of the successful playoff teams these days and what do they have in common? Players on ELCs. Gotta build through the draft.

Totally not a first but a 3rd could be nice for Seattle
Oct. 14, 2020 at 12:59 p.m.
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Still hard pass.

Any defenceman can "physically" play both sides but 95/5 is a heavily favored to one side (theres bound to be a small handicap to playing your offside - especially as a D as you'd recieve D to D pass on your backhand, then need to stick handle it to your fore hand just to make a pass).

You cant argue that he probably loses 5-10% effectiveness playing on his least comfortable side


Eh! That’s all speculation. If Sakic is interested I trust his judgement.
Oct. 14, 2020 at 1:02 p.m.
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Not when you don't have second round picks for the next two years. You look at all of the successful playoff teams these days and what do they have in common? Players on ELCs. Gotta build through the draft.


Not shown on this roster: Dickinson, Kaut, Timmins, Barron, Newhook, Hellesen, Ranta and Beaucage.

Or you could think of it this way: which is more likely to be valuable in 2021-2022: one of Toews or Weegar, or their first-round pick in June 2021? which is more likely to be valuable in 2022-2023: one of Toews or Weegar, or their first-round pick in June 2021?
Oct. 14, 2020 at 1:02 p.m.
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pretty sure based on how they talked about this on the Pod, this was talked about before Toews trade. They did Toews instead of Weegar
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Oct. 14, 2020 at 1:26 p.m.
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I wanted Joe to go after Weegar. That's over now though unless EJ is going to Florida. I don't think Sakic does that to Johnson though. It's business and all, but there is still some room for loyalty in the end.

For fun though...

Toews, Makar
Girard, Weegar
Graves, Cole/Timmins

Dang!
Oct. 14, 2020 at 1:27 p.m.
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pretty sure based on how they talked about this on the Pod, this was talked about before Toews trade. They did Toews instead of Weegar


Most likely, but if you can get rid of Cole’s contract and add a guy who fits the system you do it
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Oct. 14, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.
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Most likely, but if you can get rid of Cole’s contract and add a guy who fits the system you do it


I disagree, you have Byram and timmins ready for a spot this season. Weegar on top of Toews is just reckless
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Not shown on this roster: Dickinson, Kaut, Timmins, Barron, Newhook, Hellesen, Ranta and Beaucage.

Or you could think of it this way: which is more likely to be valuable in 2021-2022: one of Toews or Weegar, or their first-round pick in June 2021? which is more likely to be valuable in 2022-2023: one of Toews or Weegar, or their first-round pick in June 2021?


O hands down, it's one of Toews or Weegar, but what I'm saying is that adding Weegar to the mix weakens you for Seattle. It's one thing to have EJ waive his NMC and protect Toews, and then go onto give Seattle a pick of something not to take EJ. It's a whole other ballgame to have to do that with both Toews and Weegar.
Oct. 15, 2020 at 8:10 a.m.
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Only downside here is that you're basically trading for Weegar knowing that Seattle will probably take him.


We could go the 4+4 route.

- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri, Burakovsky (handshake agreement with Landeskog to resign him in UFA later)
- Makar, Girard, Toews, Weegar
- Grubauer

Exposed:
- Compher, Donskoi, Nichuskin, Jost, O'Connor
- Graves, Johnson (waives nmc)
- Francoz
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Oct. 15, 2020 at 8:16 a.m.
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I disagree, you have Byram and timmins ready for a spot this season. Weegar on top of Toews is just reckless


It's not reckless. It gives us an upgrade on Cole and legit cover for Johnson at RHD.

Yes, we would have a decision to make with Timmins, but losing Graves in the expansion draft would already guarantee an open roster spot. And we could also look to move Johnson on next offseason.

Toews --- Makar
Girard --- Weegar
Byram --- Johnson/Timmins
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Not shown on this roster: Dickinson, Kaut, Timmins, Barron, Newhook, Hellesen, Ranta and Beaucage.

Or you could think of it this way: which is more likely to be valuable in 2021-2022: one of Toews or Weegar, or their first-round pick in June 2021? which is more likely to be valuable in 2022-2023: one of Toews or Weegar, or their first-round pick in June 2021?


For a contender, a young top 4 RHD with term is always more valuable than a late 1st.

There also hasn't been any indication that acquiring Weegar would cost our 1st to begin with.
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Oct. 15, 2020 at 10:52 a.m.
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It's not reckless. It gives us an upgrade on Cole and legit cover for Johnson at RHD.

Yes, we would have a decision to make with Timmins, but losing Graves in the expansion draft would already guarantee an open roster spot. And we could also look to move Johnson on next offseason.

Toews --- Makar
Girard --- Weegar
Byram --- Johnson/Timmins


and how are you going to get through the expansion draft losing a top 6 foward bc now you are forced to do 4fwds and 4dman.
Like I said its reckless since you already have 2 NHL ready prosepcts who are top 4 in Byram and Timmins

Why are you blocking them for no reason. You are dong too much. Avs got Toews instead of weegar, it was never both
Oct. 15, 2020 at 2:46 p.m.
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and how are you going to get through the expansion draft losing a top 6 foward bc now you are forced to do 4fwds and 4dman.
Like I said its reckless since you already have 2 NHL ready prosepcts who are top 4 in Byram and Timmins

Why are you blocking them for no reason. You are dong too much. Avs got Toews instead of weegar, it was never both


4+4:

- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri, Burakovsky
- Makar, Girard, Toews, Weegar
- Grubauer

Saad and Landeskog are both UFA's so we could use the UFA loophole. Alternatively we could protect Landeskog instead of Burakovsky, and if Seattle take Burakovsky then we could simply use his $4.9m caphit to resign Saad instead of letting him walk in UFA.
Oct. 15, 2020 at 3:55 p.m.
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4+4:

- Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri, Burakovsky
- Makar, Girard, Toews, Weegar
- Grubauer

Saad and Landeskog are both UFA's so we could use the UFA loophole. Alternatively we could protect Landeskog instead of Burakovsky, and if Seattle take Burakovsky then we could simply use his $4.9m caphit to resign Saad instead of letting him walk in UFA.


this explanation shows exactly how reckless this is. If you cant see this then sorry you are very short sighted in how this is a recipe to back fire dramatical for the Avs
Avs are not going to be dumb and be in a position of weakness. and this puts them in a huge position of weakness
Oct. 15, 2020 at 3:57 p.m.
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this explanation shows exactly how reckless this is. If you cant see this then sorry you are very short sighted in how this is a recipe to back fire dramatical for the Avs
Avs are not going to be dumb and be in a position of weakness. and this puts them in a huge position of weakness


Why does it put them in a position of weakness?

If Burakovsky has a down year then getting out of the last year of his contract might not be a bad thing. Doing a handshake deal with Landeskog also doesn't seem risky at all compared to doing it with any other players.
 
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