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Nylander Tkachuk Debate

Created by: dzad96
Initial Creation Date: Oct 14, 2020
Published: Oct 14 at 11:57
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
Matthew > Willy
Brady > Willy

Let's hear the moron Leaf fans argue it.
Free Agent Signings
CREATEDYEARSCAP HIT
Nylander, Willy Soft as baby sh1t1$6,900,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Matthew
CGY
  1. Nylander, William
TOR
  1. Tkachuk, Brady
OTT
  1. Nylander, Willy Soft as baby sh1t
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$82,056,167$0$2,900,000-$556,167
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Kerfoot, Alexander
$3,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 3
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
CGY
Tkachuk, Matthew
$7,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Boyd, Travis
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
$925,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Andersen, Frederik
$5,000,000
G
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Holl, Justin
$2,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 2
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Rosén, Calle
$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
TOR
Liljegren, Timothy
$863,333
RD
RFA - 2

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Oct 14 at 11:59
#1
Joined: Sep 2020
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Give me either tkachuk all day everyday
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Oct 14 at 12:03
#2
Joined: Nov 2017
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Grow up.

Also learn how to spell Tkachuk.
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Oct 14 at 12:03
#3
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Nylander, such a soft piece of baby **** that he's a league leader in offensive zone takeaways, scored more net-front goals than most other forwards in the league and singlehandedly drives offense every time he steps foot on the ice lmao
Oct 14 at 12:05
#4
Thread Starter
Leafs Fan Hater.
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 658
Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
Nylander, such a soft piece of baby **** that he's a league leader in offensive zone takeaways, scored more net-front goals than most other forwards in the league and singlehandedly drives offense every time he steps foot on the ice lmao


Delusional leafs fan is a good handle for you. zero hits. zero scrums involved. zero shots blocked. zero teammates stuck up for. zero heart.
Oct 14 at 12:05
#5
Thread Starter
Leafs Fan Hater.
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Grow up.

Also learn how to spell Tkachuk.


great argument.
Oct 14 at 12:07
#6
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Quoting: dzad96
Delusional leafs fan is a good handle for you. zero hits. zero scrums involved. zero shots blocked. zero teammates stuck up for. zero heart.


He doesn't hit because he always has the puck. Also, he has half as many giveaways as Matthew Tkachuk, eclipses both of them in 5v5 production, and has way more takeaways, and he's signed at the same cap hit for twice the amount of years. I'd take him everyday of the week

Also, it's not 1983 anymore, PIMs and hits don't determine playoff success. Scoring does, and defence. Brady is terrible defensively, and while Matthew is better on that front, Nylander is much better in terms of offensive production and puck moving, DRASTICALLY better

But by all means, Matthew Tkachuk throws a body check in between turning the puck over 40 times, so I guess that means he's the better player
Oct 14 at 12:08
#7
Thread Starter
Leafs Fan Hater.
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 1,777
Likes: 658
Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
He doesn't hit because he always has the puck. Also, he has half as many giveaways as Matthew Tkachuk, eclipses both of them in 5v5 production, and has way more takeaways, and he's signed at the same cap hit for twice the amount of years. I'd take him everyday of the week


You sound like such an analytics fairy. Exactly what's wrong with the Leafs. look at Dubas' change of heart this offseason. He somewhat saw the light.
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Oct 14 at 12:10
#8
Joined: Nov 2017
Posts: 11,234
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Quoting: dzad96
You sound like such an analytics fairy. Exactly what's wrong with the Leafs. look at Dubas' change of heart this offseason. He somewhat saw the light.


Your constant name calling is unnecessary and mean spirtied.
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Oct 14 at 12:12
#9
oilsince95
Joined: Jun 2016
Posts: 1,156
Likes: 396
Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
He doesn't hit because he always has the puck.

To be fair, the Tkachuks are capable of hitting people even while they have the puck. That's gotta be a bonus!
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Oct 14 at 12:12
#10
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Likes: 720
nylander lives in your head rent free
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Oct 14 at 12:13
#11
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Quoting: dzad96
You sound like such an analytics fairy. Exactly what's wrong with the Leafs. look at Dubas' change of heart this offseason. He somewhat saw the light.


Dubas has never had a change of heart, his philosophy has always been draft and develop skill, and substitute it with grit and intangibles. Look at his junior teams and marlies teams. No doubt their embarassing loss to colombus maybe put an exclamation point on that though haha

Also, ik you don't like analytics because they're complicated, but you can take one look and see that Nylander generates gobs more offense than both of these guys, and turns the puck over way less.
Oct 14 at 12:18
#12
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 1,707
Likes: 604
Brady>Nylander>Matthew
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Oct 14 at 12:18
#13
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nylander has more 5v5 production in the last 82 games than Barzal, Matthew, Pettersson, Aho, Eichel, Laine and Rantanen. With about 13% less ice time. That is all.
Oct 14 at 12:19
#14
themostleaf33
Joined: Sep 2020
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Matthew? Yes in a heart beat, but Flames would never do that lol. Brady? Eh he still has a bit to prove imo.
Oct 14 at 12:20
#15
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Quoting: HatterTParty
Brady>Nylander>Matthew


honestly yeah. Brady is probably gonna be a beast.
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Oct 14 at 12:30
#16
RangerWall92
Joined: Nov 2018
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For now: Matthew > Nylander > Brady
Oct 14 at 12:34
#17
Flames
Joined: Jun 2018
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
honestly yeah. Brady is probably gonna be a beast.


Not a chance in this world that Brady is better than Matthew. You're clearly going after OP by saying this but its plain wrong. I will say though the whole point of this ACGM is wrong and mean-spirited, Nylander is a great player in his own right but I certainly would never trade Matthew for him.
Oct 14 at 12:36
#18
Caps fan idk why
Joined: Dec 2016
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Quoting: dzad96
You sound like such an analytics fairy. Exactly what's wrong with the Leafs. look at Dubas' change of heart this offseason. He somewhat saw the light.


who hurt you? did you wake up today to just troll Leaf fans? what else is on today agenda? maybe do that instead...this effort is coming off lazy lmfao you even suck at being a troll

i mean say matthews is overpaid. or say JT signing was stupid idk somehtinig more than Nylander is soft? so is crosby so is mcdavid WTF cares.... terrible troll job booo
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Oct 14 at 3:50
#19
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
who hurt you? did you wake up today to just troll Leaf fans? what else is on today agenda? maybe do that instead...this effort is coming off lazy lmfao you even suck at being a troll

i mean say matthews is overpaid. or say JT signing was stupid idk somehtinig more than Nylander is soft? so is crosby so is mcdavid WTF cares.... terrible troll job booo


Nylander is overpaid Matthews signing was stupid, JT is soft
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Oct 14 at 4:05
#20
Caps fan idk why
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Quoting: Theozler
Nylander is overpaid Matthews signing was stupid, JT is soft


haha see those are the "hot takes" that i like to see lol
Oct 14 at 4:25
#21
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
haha see those are the "hot takes" that i like to see lol


Joking aside, I personally am not a nylander backer, I think he's in between where the lovers and haters have him on here.
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Oct 14 at 4:30
#22
Caps fan idk why
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Quoting: Theozler
Joking aside, I personally am not a nylander backer, I think he's in between where the lovers and haters have him on here.


yeah i agree. He's a talented complementary winger that has the offensive up side of Max Domi but plays better defense
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Oct 14 at 4:33
#23
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Quoting: Capitalfail67
yeah i agree. He's a talented complementary winger that has the offensive up side of Max Domi but plays better defense


Ya pretty bang on, I think he can settle in on Matthews/Tavares wing as a consistent 70 PT guy. I know domi had more ups and downs but he also never had a c like those guys
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