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What would the other 3 divisions look like next year if there was a Canadian division?

Oct. 16, 2020 at 8:21 p.m.
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Borrowing from above...
4 month 52 game season

7 team ALL Canadian division 28 games played
4 teams make the PLAYOFFS
-play each other 4x each
-4 extra games between Van Cal Edm & Win Tor Ott Mon
—played in 1st 3 months of the season
-24 games against 4 American divisions once each team
—1st month 12 in Canada then 12 last month in USA.

6 team Western Division
SJ LA Anaheim Vegas Arizona Colorado
3 teams make the PLAYOFFS
-Canadian division 1x 7 games
-play 5x divisional for 25 games
-1x against each other divisional teams 18 games
—2 extra North division randoms 2 games

6 team North Division
Minn Stl Detroit Buffalo Boston Pittsburgh
3 teams make the PLAYOFFS
-same as above


6 team Metropolitan Division
NJD NYR NYI Philadelphia Washington
3 teams make the PLAYOFFS
-same as above except👇
—2 extra games against the South Division

6 team South Division
Dallas Florida TB Nashville Carolina Columbus
3 teams make the PLAYOFFS
-same as above

PLAYOFFS ALL to be played in US bubbles
Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:31 p.m.
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Quoting: wabit
The VGK owner is looking at the next tv contract, not the current one that expires at the end of the 20-21 season. Those talks will come after the NFL figures out their new deals. If NBC gets outbid for the next NHL contract to ESPN, Fox, or whoever; then what real cause do they have to pay more for a product that's leaving them anyways? The MLB just played a 60 game season without fans; NASCAR went without fans for most of their season, NFL has some fans in the but not anywhere near capacity. The NHL will do the same. The players and owners both take a hit. I'm not worried about the owners, they all just pocketed a chuck of cash from Vegas and are getting another one for Seattle. That money was exempt from the players 50/50 profit share also.

So what if the draft is a little more guesswork this year? Most teams will just go with the safer picks in the first couple of rounds and take their swings in the later rounds. The NHL could also extend the draft a couple of rounds with compensation picks if they wanted. Or worst case someone slips through the cracks and signs as a FA somewhere or goes back into the draft pool the next year. If anything it could make the TDL much more interesting with some teams punting on this year's draft and others stocking up to have as many chances as they can at getting a steal.


This isn't about next contract. It's about this next season. This is not baseball or NASCAR. Believe me, the cost of a nascar team is no where near the cost of a NHL team. And the sources of revenue are vastly different.
And baseball has a pretty sweet, although undeserved at this point, TV deal.
We aren't talking about a small chuck of change here. You don't seem to get that. There are already teams in the NHL who are unprofitable even with gate sales. You take that away and you are looking at huge loses. And while I'm sure some owners have the deep pockets to deal with it, others frankly do not.
Even the owner of VGK stated they are losing money with no fans inside. A huge part of their ability to operate is hotel comps. The number of visitors is lower, and they are only allowed 10% capacity in vegas for indoor events casino's etc...
You have come to some conclusions that just aren't logical here.
It's the same fallacy people had made prior. Oh it's just this season, we'll get through the playofffs and everything will be fine.
But then there is reality, that you are looking at long term changes here. Because it keeps spreading and it's not controlled. And people continue to panic over it.
Vaccines aren't 100%, at best they are saying 50%. First flue vaccines were 20% effective. This isn't much different.
This isn't simply a 1 year issue. Much like it isn't a just the playoffs issue and everything will be fine soon after. There is a reality they are having to deal with now.
That reality is the current system is not sustainable, and they are being honest about that. And that they aren't just blindly going to say, we'll do this season and oh well......
This is a business. Two years of huge losses and then a hopefully we can get a better TV deal, isn't cutting it.
You seem to not realize that. They aren't running the league so NBC can make the profit. Much like they weren't stopping their league so they Olympics could pocket large sums of money and not cut them in.
Oct. 17, 2020 at 6:59 a.m.
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Quoting: pharrow
This isn't about next contract. It's about this next season. This is not baseball or NASCAR. Believe me, the cost of a nascar team is no where near the cost of a NHL team. And the sources of revenue are vastly different.
And baseball has a pretty sweet, although undeserved at this point, TV deal.
We aren't talking about a small chuck of change here. You don't seem to get that. There are already teams in the NHL who are unprofitable even with gate sales. You take that away and you are looking at huge loses. And while I'm sure some owners have the deep pockets to deal with it, others frankly do not.
Even the owner of VGK stated they are losing money with no fans inside. A huge part of their ability to operate is hotel comps. The number of visitors is lower, and they are only allowed 10% capacity in vegas for indoor events casino's etc...
You have come to some conclusions that just aren't logical here.
It's the same fallacy people had made prior. Oh it's just this season, we'll get through the playofffs and everything will be fine.
But then there is reality, that you are looking at long term changes here. Because it keeps spreading and it's not controlled. And people continue to panic over it.
Vaccines aren't 100%, at best they are saying 50%. First flue vaccines were 20% effective. This isn't much different.
This isn't simply a 1 year issue. Much like it isn't a just the playoffs issue and everything will be fine soon after. There is a reality they are having to deal with now.
That reality is the current system is not sustainable, and they are being honest about that. And that they aren't just blindly going to say, we'll do this season and oh well......
This is a business. Two years of huge losses and then a hopefully we can get a better TV deal, isn't cutting it.
You seem to not realize that. They aren't running the league so NBC can make the profit. Much like they weren't stopping their league so they Olympics could pocket large sums of money and not cut them in.


You're not getting it. There is no reason for NBC to pay out more money, they have an expiring contract. They don't care about the NHL (per say), they care about what money the NHL can bring them for their bottom line. They showed this when the NHL decided not to send teams to the Olympics a few years ago. They just went with the Olympics and didn't show any NHL games during that timeframe. Plus they've already figured out how to fill the air time from the abrupt stoppage of games earlier this year too. If the tables were flipped and everyone just decided to stop watching games and the viewership/ratings tanked do you think the NHL would refund the money to NBC to cover the loss? No they would stick by their contract terms.

Money isn't just tight for NHL teams it's tight for tv stations too.
-MSG (NY teams) took a big operating loss last year, because of the Covid.
-Disney now owns Fox Sports "local" (lots of teams this is their local station) and they are taking big hits in their revenue with parks being closed or partially open, not much going on for movies being filmed, and they just laid off 28,000 people. They also show the NBA and MLB games which will run concurrently with the NHL season next season.

If the Covid never goes away there will be a new norm set for pro sports. Teams will lose value and players pay will go down accordingly or there will be a league contraction (like the KHL). This is just dollars and cents business. If an owner is losing money, and not okay with it, costs will be cut until the team makes money or at least breaks even. The players won't be happy, but not much they can really do, there really isn't anywhere else they can make similar money in their current profession. Unprofitable teams may end up moving or be sold (STL, SD, OAK all lost NFL teams to different markets in the last couple of years).

Owners/GMs are already planning for this, just look at the contracts given out recently:
Feb 1st - Aug 1st (2019): 18 contracts $6m or higher a year, 6 of those $9m or higher a year.
Aug 2nd, 2019 -Jan 31, 2020: 17 contracts $6m or higher a year, 4 of those $9m or higher a year
Feb 1, 2020-present: 9 contract $6m or higher, the highest is $8.8m/yr. If this was another industry (tech, houses, etc.) people would be saying the bubble burst and the market is resetting itself.
Oct. 17, 2020 at 9:20 a.m.
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Quoting: wabit
You're not getting it. There is no reason for NBC to pay out more money, they have an expiring contract. They don't care about the NHL (per say), they care about what money the NHL can bring them for their bottom line. They showed this when the NHL decided not to send teams to the Olympics a few years ago. They just went with the Olympics and didn't show any NHL games during that timeframe. Plus they've already figured out how to fill the air time from the abrupt stoppage of games earlier this year too. If the tables were flipped and everyone just decided to stop watching games and the viewership/ratings tanked do you think the NHL would refund the money to NBC to cover the loss? No they would stick by their contract terms.

Money isn't just tight for NHL teams it's tight for tv stations too.
-MSG (NY teams) took a big operating loss last year, because of the Covid.
-Disney now owns Fox Sports "local" (lots of teams this is their local station) and they are taking big hits in their revenue with parks being closed or partially open, not much going on for movies being filmed, and they just laid off 28,000 people. They also show the NBA and MLB games which will run concurrently with the NHL season next season.

If the Covid never goes away there will be a new norm set for pro sports. Teams will lose value and players pay will go down accordingly or there will be a league contraction (like the KHL). This is just dollars and cents business. If an owner is losing money, and not okay with it, costs will be cut until the team makes money or at least breaks even. The players won't be happy, but not much they can really do, there really isn't anywhere else they can make similar money in their current profession. Unprofitable teams may end up moving or be sold (STL, SD, OAK all lost NFL teams to different markets in the last couple of years).

Owners/GMs are already planning for this, just look at the contracts given out recently:
Feb 1st - Aug 1st (2019): 18 contracts $6m or higher a year, 6 of those $9m or higher a year.
Aug 2nd, 2019 -Jan 31, 2020: 17 contracts $6m or higher a year, 4 of those $9m or higher a year
Feb 1, 2020-present: 9 contract $6m or higher, the highest is $8.8m/yr. If this was another industry (tech, houses, etc.) people would be saying the bubble burst and the market is resetting itself.


no i do get it. What you don't understand is, they want hockey. Live tv is the only thing that gets good commercial money today. Mainly due to streaming of everything else. Sports is one of the few things you can't stream. So why you think there is no reason for them to pay more there is. The choice of no hockey vs paying more for hockey, isn't a difficult choice to make, depending on what they are making from it.
That's the reality of it. The NHL can wait it out and either let the contract expire or push it back till they can figure out how to make a profit. But NBC loses a season to make money and then has a whole network who's main programming is hockey, wasting away.
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Oct. 17, 2020 at 11:33 a.m.
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Don't believe the Canadian conference would work. Too much East/West time changing travel.
Oct. 17, 2020 at 11:36 a.m.
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Don't believe the Canadian conference would work. Too much East/West time changing travel.


I'll respectfully disagree. Canada wants hockey. Canada also wants the border closed. if we're playing in January almost no chance of Canada letting teams travel in and out unless it's a huge bubble--which I don't think is feasible again. plus for Canadian fans at least, they will watch games at any times.
Oct. 17, 2020 at 11:43 a.m.
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I'll respectfully disagree. Canada wants hockey. Canada also wants the border closed. if we're playing in January almost no chance of Canada letting teams travel in and out unless it's a huge bubble--which I don't think is feasible again. plus for Canadian fans at least, they will watch games at any times.


here is my thing.
I don't know what kind of conversations they are having. But I think they should take the season outdoors.
A. it provides fresh air. B. I don't think the players would mind a face covering that much in the cold.
Much like runners use so they don't get sick off the cold air.

I think that would help to some degree of not needing a bubble. Now I don't know how that would work for some of the southern teams. but the northern teams could get away with it.
It might allow them to have more fans too as it's outdoors. I'm not sure how that would work, but you got large stadiums that could hold 60-80,000 so they can probably easily space the 10,000 50% capacity they would normally get in most stadiums. Maybe even the full 20,000. I don't know.
Which would make it easier for them to have a season.
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Oct. 17, 2020 at 11:49 a.m.
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here is my thing.
I don't know what kind of conversations they are having. But I think they should take the season outdoors.
A. it provides fresh air. B. I don't think the players would mind a face covering that much in the cold.
Much like runners use so they don't get sick off the cold air.

I think that would help to some degree of not needing a bubble. Now I don't know how that would work for some of the southern teams. but the northern teams could get away with it.
It might allow them to have more fans too as it's outdoors. I'm not sure how that would work, but you got large stadiums that could hold 60-80,000 so they can probably easily space the 10,000 50% capacity they would normally get in most stadiums. Maybe even the full 20,000. I don't know.
Which would make it easier for them to have a season.


hmm. like a season long winter classic. it would be cool for sure. maybe it would lessen costs? IDK.
Oct. 19, 2020 at 10:28 a.m.
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hmm. like a season long winter classic. it would be cool for sure. maybe it would lessen costs? IDK.


It'd be grossly expensive. It gets very hot in the summer even in places like Edmonton and Winnipeg.
Oct. 19, 2020 at 11:53 a.m.
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It'd be grossly expensive. It gets very hot in the summer even in places like Edmonton and Winnipeg.


humidity and pure heat would be the biggest issue. even in boston where we dont see 80+ temps really until june its still brutal humidity wise.
 
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