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Unorthodox Laine Deal

Created by: Hockyluv21
Initial Creation Date: Oct 15, 2020
Published: Oct 15 at 8:17
Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Team Explanation
Two clubs work together to fix their own issues. Winnipeg has a Laine problem, and Tampa has a cap problem. Why not a mutual deal to ameliorate both?
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Cernak, Erik2$1,500,000
Trades
TBL
  1. Laine, Patrik
  2. Heinola, Ville
  3. Little, Bryan
  4. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Cirelli, Anthony [RFA Rights]
  2. Sergachev, Mikhail [RFA Rights]
  3. Johnson, Tyler
TBL
  1. Dzingel, Ryan
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (CAR)
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Palat, Ondrej
Buyouts
  • Vincent Lecavalier: $0
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TBL
CAR
TBL
WPG
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
NSH
NJD
2022
TBL
TBL
CAR
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
2023
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
TBL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$80,854,166$0$500,000$645,834
Left WingCenterRight Wing
WPG
Laine, Patrik
$6,750,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
TBL
Killorn, Alex
$4,450,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
CAR
Dzingel, Ryan
$3,375,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
TBL
Coleman, Blake
$1,800,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 1
TBL
Gourde, Yanni
$5,166,666
RW, LW, C
NTC
UFA - 5
TBL
Goodrow, Barclay
$925,000
LW
UFA - 1
TBL
Maroon, Patrick
$900,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
TBL
Paquette, Cédric
$1,650,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
TBL
Stephens, Mitchell
$737,500
C
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Foote, Cal
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
TBL
Vasilevskiy, Andrei
$9,500,000
G
UFA - 8
TBL
McDonagh, Ryan
$6,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 6
TBL
Cernak, Erik
$1,500,000
RD
RFA
TBL
McElhinney, Curtis
$1,300,000
G
UFA - 1
TBL
Coburn, Braydon
$1,700,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
TBL
Schenn, Luke
$800,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
WPG
Little, Bryan
$5,291,667
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 4

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Oct 15 at 8:19
#1
Goal Perfetti
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ok
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Oct 15 at 8:20
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Big Buch Energy
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Interesting but how do you expect them to re-sign Laine next year?
Oct 15 at 8:21
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KFTW
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Quoting: bunzy1034
ok


Would u do it?
Oct 15 at 8:22
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Quoting: buchiegang
Interesting but how do you expect them to re-sign Laine next year?


They don't have to. Make it a 1-year rental, and decide between keeping Stamkos or Laine next year.
Oct 15 at 8:22
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Goal Perfetti
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Quoting: csick
Would u do it?


Its really close, I am leaning towards yes though.
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Oct 15 at 8:24
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Of all the places in North America that Tyler Johnson might waive to, I think Winnipeg is at the very bottom of that list.
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Oct 15 at 8:25
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Of all the places in North America that Tyler Johnson might waive to, I think Winnipeg is at the very bottom of that list.

He’s not gonna be a Tampa player lol - he’s gonna play somewhere that can fit him rather than be sent down and play in the A
Oct 15 at 8:26
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MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: bunzy1034
Its really close, I am leaning towards yes though.


I doubt there's a better offer then this and it's highly unlikely they'll get anything as good as this, think Laine's agent is making it clear to Chevy that he won't be signing long term so if you want to recoup something for him use this time wisely.

Really depressing news, too bad, wonder what the problem is.
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Oct 15 at 8:26
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Quoting: tkecanuck341
Of all the places in North America that Tyler Johnson might waive to, I think Winnipeg is at the very bottom of that list.


It doesn't have to be Johnson. Could be Killorn or Gourde, too.
Oct 15 at 8:26
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Nice value from Tampa, but the Jets wouldn't take Johnson without some hefty compensation and they don't need Cirelli anymore.
Oct 15 at 8:26
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Big Buch Energy
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
They don't have to. Make it a 1-year rental, and decide between keeping Stamkos or Laine next year.


Don’t see Stammer waiving but hey who knows!
Oct 15 at 8:27
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Quoting: Windjammer
Nice value from Tampa, but the Jets wouldn't take Johnson without some hefty compensation and they don't need Cirelli anymore.


Cirelli and Sergachev IS hefty compensation. Both make Winnipeg better right now! And the Jets would LOVE Cirelli. He'd be their first true long-term 1/2C option since Scheifele.
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Oct 15 at 8:29
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I doubt there's a better offer then this and it's highly unlikely they'll get anything as good as this, think Laine's agent is making it clear to Chevy that he won't be signing long term so if you want to recoup something for him use this time wisely.


I would rather see him get traded now then seeing him getting dealt for a third pairing guy and a pick or leave in UFA. Cirelli would slot in at 2C immediately and the center depth for next year would be very good. Sergachev is pretty much what were hoping Heinola will be, so I don't mind that exchange. I do think Heinola has a decent chance to be a better overall player then Sergachev, but again I wouldn't mind that swap.
Oct 15 at 8:30
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
Cirelli and Sergachev IS hefty compensation. Both make Winnipeg better right now!


Not when Winnipeg is giving up Laine and Heinola. There would need to be something else for taking on Johnson and not filling team needs for Winnipeg.
Oct 15 at 8:32
#15
Go Jets Go
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I don't know...



there are good parts and bad parts for both teams
Oct 15 at 8:33
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MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: bunzy1034
I would rather see him get traded now then seeing him getting dealt for a third pairing guy and a pick or leave in UFA. Cirelli would slot in at 2C immediately and the center depth for next year would be very good. Sergachev is pretty much what were hoping Heinola will be, so I don't mind that exchange. I do think Heinola has a decent chance to be a better overall player then Sergachev, but again I wouldn't mind that swap.


Depends on the return but the rest of the GM'S know the position Chevy is in so I don't think the return will be very good, considering the window the Jets are in is only really the next 4 years I'd be cool with keeping Laine and letting him walk if they load up and really go for it.
Oct 15 at 8:34
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Quoting: Windjammer
Not when Winnipeg is giving up Laine and Heinola. There would need to be something else for taking on Johnson and not filling team needs for Winnipeg.


Cirelli and Sergachev have a combined market value, IMO, of about 3 firsts. Laine and Heinola, to me, are worth about 2 firsts combined. To me, that extra first and Little's LTIRetired contract are plenty compensation for Johnson.
Oct 15 at 8:39
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Depends on the return but the rest of the GM'S know the position Chevy is in so I don't think the return will be very good, considering the window the Jets are in is only really the next 4 years I'd be cool with keeping Laine and letting him walk if they load up and really go for it.


It's always better to let a disgruntled player go in my opinion. If we got an offer like this then I would do it rather quickly
Oct 15 at 8:42
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Quoting: Hockyluv21
Cirelli and Sergachev have a combined market value, IMO, of about 3 firsts. Laine and Heinola, to me, are worth about 2 firsts combined. To me, that extra first and Little's LTIRetired contract are plenty compensation for Johnson.


You are obviously overvaluing the Tampa players while undervaluing Winnipeg players. Value wise Cirelli, Sergachev, Heinola and Laine are close to a wash, but even if you want to say theTampa players are worth more, you would still need to add in an extra first minimum to move Johnson. Little can be ignored as Winnipeg doesn't need to move him. Plus the only player that fits a team need for Winnipeg is Sergachev. As I said decent value, just notwhat Winnipeg needs if moving Laine.
Oct 15 at 8:45
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MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: bunzy1034
It's always better to let a disgruntled player go in my opinion. If we got an offer like this then I would do it rather quickly


I get that but I'm just doubting the return will be very good, don't think it'll be as good as this.
Oct 15 at 8:49
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
I get that but I'm just doubting the return will be very good, don't think it'll be as good as this.


yeah probably not. However I really believe it would be for the best to just let it end then following the footsteps of the Trouba situation all over again.
Oct 15 at 8:50
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Laine is like a worse Stamkos
Oct 15 at 8:55
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MisstheWhalers
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Quoting: bunzy1034
yeah probably not. However I really believe it would be for the best to just let it end then following the footsteps of the Trouba situation all over again.


I hear ya, that was a different situation it seems, was a family issue, Chevy really should of traded Troubs sooner, these seem like much different situations to me.
I just see the window as only open for so long, having a weapon like Laine helps, unless Chevy gets some massive haul in return but I don't see it.
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