When do we sell

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Created by: Cham

Team: 2020-21 Chicago Blackhawks

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 16, 2020

Published: Oct. 16, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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Mostly wondering about when the trades happen (also open to hearing other ideas for returns). Do we sell this off-season and semi-tank (while keeping Kane/Toews/Keith) or do we try and somehow compete (maybe add through FA) and potentially sell at the deadline.

My guess was the former but with how little players are being signed for it seems like a lot of teams have internal caps and may not be able to afford or trade for guys currently which could lower the value if there’s only one or two suitors for a guy.

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Strome, Dylan		3	$3,500,000

Trades

CHI

Holl, Justin
2021 1st round pick (TOR)

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I’m gonna go out on a limb and say Justin Holl has negative value at this point plus it works with Stan bringing back players since he drafted him

TOR

Murphy, Connor

CHI

Lavoie, Raphael

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DeHaan helps with Klefbom out, could flip him next offseason. Carpenter helps with depth.

EDM

Carpenter, Ryan
De Haan, Calvin ($2,000,000 retained)

CHI

2021 3rd round pick (CBJ)

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Could help replace Josh Anderson and I’m sure Torts would love him, only happens if Shaw is healthy and productive

Not sure that they’d want to give up picks since they lost so many but maybe could be part of larger deal for one of their goalies

CBJ

Shaw, Andrew

CHI

Eriksson, Loui
2021 1st round pick (VAN)

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Any cap dump for more picks/prospects (probably someone with less term or AAV)

VAN

Future considerations

Retained Salary Transactions

Brandon Saad: $1,000,000 (16.67%)
Olli Määttä: $750,108 (18.37%)
Calvin De Haan: $2,000,000 (43.96%)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$81,500,000	$69,773,814	$1,090,244	$6,750,000	$11,726,186

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Kubalik, Dominik $3,700,000$3,700,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Toews, Jonathan $10,500,000$10,500,000 C NMC UFA - 3	Nylander, Alexander $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) RW, LW RFA - 1
Suter, Pius $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) C, LW UFA - 1	Dach, Kirby $925,000$925,000 ($2,500,000$2M) C, RW RFA - 2	Kane, Patrick $2,625,000$2,625,000 RW NMC UFA - 3
DeBrincat, Alex $6,400,000$6,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 3	Strome, Dylan $3,500,000$3,500,000 C UFA - 2	Highmore, Matthew $725,000$725,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Janmark, Mattias $562,500$562,500 LW, RW UFA - 1	Wallmark, Lucas $950,000$950,000 C UFA - 1	Kämpf, David $1,000,000$1,000,000 C UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Keith, Duncan $5,538,462$5,538,462 LD NMC UFA - 3	Mitchell, Ian $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 3	Lankinen, Kevin $800,000$800,000 G UFA - 2
Zadorov, Nikita $3,200,000$3,200,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Boqvist, Adam $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RD RFA - 2	Delia, Collin $1,000,000$1,000,000 G UFA - 2
Kalynuk, Wyatt $925,000$925,000 ($850,000$850K) LD UFA - 2	Seabrook, Brent $6,875,000$6,875,000 RD NMC UFA - 4	Subban, Malcolm $850,000$850,000 G UFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Smith, Zack $3,250,000$3,250,000 LW, C M-NTC UFA - 1
Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3
Eriksson, Loui $6,000,000$6,000,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2

Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:35 a.m.

TheOtherAuston

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Holl doesn't have negative value, Murphy is not worth a 1st.

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Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:35 a.m.

Ajp_18

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Columbus has no room for yet another depth forward.... even if Shaw is healthy we have players who play the same role as he does.... Columbus has no interest in him.

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Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:37 a.m.

Russell_C

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Holl is undervalued like crazy on this site, he is a perfectly capable shut down D who only got his first shot in the show LAST YEAR. He will have another decent season and end up as an above average 3RD.

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Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.

Ritzy

Leafs Sufferer

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Stan drafted him...but he has negative value?

Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.

The_Rocket

Judd Bracket ripoff

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As a Canuck fan I approve this message

Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:39 a.m.

ConnorMcHellebucyk

Buljujarvi

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Oilers reject. Klef is injured all year and we don’t need more RHD.

Oct. 16, 2020 at 11:46 a.m.

dzad96

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Quoting: Russell_C

Wouldn't call him a shut down D. He is a competent 5/6 guy. Slightly overpaid for the 15-17 minutes he should be playing a night but mostly agree.

Oct. 16, 2020 at 12:03 p.m.

Kyle_Davidson

Kyle from Chicago

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Quoting: ConnorMcHellebucyk

Oilers reject. Klef is injured all year and we don’t need more RHD.

De Hann is a LHD.

Oct. 16, 2020 at 12:18 p.m.

Jim_Benning_Almost

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Quoting: The_Rocket

As a Canuck fan I approve this message

Easy there Rocket, we need to keep our 1st rounders. I'd offer a 2nd + a prospect (Lind, Woo, DiPietro, etc).

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Oct. 16, 2020 at 12:46 p.m.

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ConnorMcHellebucyk

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Quoting: Stan_Bowman

De Hann is a LHD.

I assumed he was rhd my B

Oct. 16, 2020 at 1:30 p.m.

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Cham

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Quoting: TheOtherAuston

Holl doesn't have negative value, Murphy is not worth a 1st.

Quoting: Russell_C

Quoting: Ritzy

Stan drafted him...but he has negative value?

Quoting: dzad96

Wouldn't call him a shut down D. He is a competent 5/6 guy. Slightly overpaid for the 15-17 minutes he should be playing a night but mostly agree.

To be fair my only source for leafs news and opinions is Steve dangle who at least on his last pod was talking about how he fell off a cliff after he signed, my thought was mostly that you get a fairly significant upgrade for just over 1M. I think it would at least fetch a second and third for the hawks and be a good trade for both sides

Oct. 16, 2020 at 1:34 p.m.

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Cham

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Quoting: Ajp_18

Columbus has no room for yet another depth forward.... even if Shaw is healthy we have players who play the same role as he does.... Columbus has no interest in him.

I don’t get to see many CBJ games but who on the team plays like Shaw (grinder with 0.5 ppg upside) and how much of that is due to Torts making skill guys play physical, two way games.

Oct. 16, 2020 at 1:43 p.m.

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benjgc

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Quoting: Cham

I don’t get to see many CBJ games but who on the team plays like Shaw (grinder with 0.5 ppg upside) and how much of that is due to Torts making skill guys play physical, two way games.

Well, there's captain Nick Foligno and alternate captain Boone Jenner. And Mikko Koivu's coming in now... we're fine without Shaw.

Oct. 16, 2020 at 1:45 p.m.

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Ajp_18

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Quoting: Cham

I don’t get to see many CBJ games but who on the team plays like Shaw (grinder with 0.5 ppg upside) and how much of that is due to Torts making skill guys play physical, two way games.

Folingo, Jenner, Nash, Robinson.... Columbus has enough grinders already. Torts also makes everyone play a solid 2 way game. Plus there’s just no room in the line up with players we already have for Shaw.... imo Shaw, Folingo and Jenner are the same player, and we already have Jenner and Folingo.

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Oct. 16, 2020 at 2:42 p.m.

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NTanger19

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Murphy ain't worth a 1st. He's worth a 2nd

Oct. 16, 2020 at 3:31 p.m.

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Ekaansh

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Toronto easily declines

Oct. 16, 2020 at 4:04 p.m.

#17

TheOtherAuston

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Quoting: Cham

It's not just over a mill, its almost double holls salary. He is a good complementary piece beside muzzin at a good number, I would say he's probably over paid by about 250K but I'd rather have Holl at 2M and keep our first over Murphy at 3.85 Mill. Murphy isn't the caliber of dman we need I think he's slightly overrated by some Chicago fans, I'm not saying he is a bad dman just not what we would need with that caphit.

Oct. 16, 2020 at 4:25 p.m.

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PrimeDatsyuk

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leafs never do this

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When do we sell

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