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Blues hit the ground running when the season opens

Created by: Sicarius
Initial Creation Date: Oct 16, 2020
Published: Oct 16 at 4:27
Team: 2020-21 St. Louis Blues
Trades
STL
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel
NYR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (STL)
RFA Rights to Vince Dunn
STL
  1. 2021 4th round pick (DET)
DET
  1. Bozak, Tyler
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
STL
DET
STL
STL
DET
2022
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
2023
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
STL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$69,358,848$306,349$1,625,000$12,141,152
Left WingCenterRight Wing
STL
Schwartz, Jaden
$5,350,000
LW
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Thomas, Robert
$894,166
RW, C
RFA - 1
STL
Schenn, Brayden
$6,500,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 8
NYR
Buchnevich, Pavel
$3,250,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
$7,500,000
C
UFA - 3
STL
Perron, David
$4,000,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 2
STL
Sanford, Zachary
$1,500,000
LW
RFA - 1
STL
Sundqvist, Oskar
$2,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
STL
Kyrou, Jordan
$758,333
RW
RFA - 1
STL
Clifford, Kyle
$1,000,000
LW
UFA - 2
STL
Barbashev, Ivan
$1,475,000
C
RFA - 1
STL
Blais, Samuel
$1,500,000
RW
RFA - 2
STL
MacEachern, Mackenzie
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
STL
De La Rose, Jacob
$700,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
STL
Krug, Torey
$6,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 7
STL
Parayko, Colton
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
STL
Binnington, Jordan
$4,400,000
G
UFA - 1
STL
Scandella, Marco
$3,275,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
STL
Faulk, Justin
$6,500,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 7
STL
Husso, Ville
$750,000
G
UFA - 2
STL
Perunovich, Scott
$925,000
LD
RFA - 2
STL
Bortuzzo, Robert
$1,375,000
RD
UFA - 2
STL
Gunnarsson, Carl
$1,750,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
STL
Steen, Alexander
$5,750,000
LW, RW, C
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Tarasenko, Vladimir
$7,500,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3

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Oct 16 at 4:29
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Big Buch Energy
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Tempting
Oct 16 at 4:33
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redw1n9s
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The wings are gonna pay the Blues to take Bozak? Lol
Oct 16 at 4:40
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CPDunn Untouchable
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No just no. Dunn is worth way more.
Oct 16 at 4:40
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CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: redw1n9s
The wings are gonna pay the Blues to take Bozak? Lol


Bozak is based on the Stastny deal. Bozak did better than Stastny this past year and he's cheaper so yes. You would technically have to.
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Oct 16 at 6:02
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Jake
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Dunn > Buchnevich
Oct 18 at 12:57
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redw1n9s
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Bozak is based on the Stastny deal. Bozak did better than Stastny this past year and he's cheaper so yes. You would technically have to.


lol....wot?

Truly hilarious how so many of you don't understand how trading works
Oct 18 at 4:34
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Sicarius
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol....wot?

Truly hilarious how so many of you don't understand how trading works



Don’t try explaining everything. People who follow hockey understand Vegas didn’t get anything for Stastny is because they were in a position of having to dump cap at all costs.

Detroit could flip Bozak at the TDL for something better than a 4th..

I don’t know how the Blues will get cap compliant. Steen and Tarasenko will be on LTIR in January but I’m pretty sure they can’t deduct that until after the season starts, meaning at day 1 of the season their contracts count towards the cap.

Bozak makes sense as the odd man out but who knows???
Oct 18 at 5:34
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CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol....wot?

Truly hilarious how so many of you don't understand how trading works


It's funny how you don't understand Stastny is making 6.5M and actually plays worse than Bozak who makes 5M and you expect to make extra assets off of that? Your analogy is stupid.
Oct 18 at 5:43
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Quoting: Sicarius
Don’t try explaining everything. People who follow hockey understand Vegas didn’t get anything for Stastny is because they were in a position of having to dump cap at all costs.

Detroit could flip Bozak at the TDL for something better than a 4th..

I don’t know how the Blues will get cap compliant. Steen and Tarasenko will be on LTIR in January but I’m pretty sure they can’t deduct that until after the season starts, meaning at day 1 of the season their contracts count towards the cap.

Bozak makes sense as the odd man out but who knows???


Stastny is already on the backend of his career, I think Winnipeg paid pretty much what a 34 year old Middle 6 guy is worth. Especially at a 6.5M price tag. Blues can get a 4th round pick for Bozak. He's 1.5M cheaper, and plays better. So it's not like 4th round is anything bad. If Paul Stastny went in a package with a pick to Winnipeg then sure it would be the same for Bozak, but in fact it didn't so therefore. Bozak is probably worth around a 4th-5th round pick. You can't pick and choose who is worth it and who isn't.

Quoting: redw1n9s
lol....wot?

Truly hilarious how so many of you don't understand how trading works
Oct 18 at 9:19
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redw1n9s
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Stastny is already on the backend of his career, I think Winnipeg paid pretty much what a 34 year old Middle 6 guy is worth. Especially at a 6.5M price tag. Blues can get a 4th round pick for Bozak. He's 1.5M cheaper, and plays better. So it's not like 4th round is anything bad. If Paul Stastny went in a package with a pick to Winnipeg then sure it would be the same for Bozak, but in fact it didn't so therefore. Bozak is probably worth around a 4th-5th round pick. You can't pick and choose who is worth it and who isn't.


lol
Oct 18 at 9:58
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol


Quitting being a troll and bring something useful to the conversation or see yourself out of the conversation.
Oct 18 at 10:42
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
It's funny how you don't understand Stastny is making 6.5M and actually plays worse than Bozak who makes 5M and you expect to make extra assets off of that? Your analogy is stupid.

Statsny makes 5.5M and Bozak makes 4.25M as cap hit <> “making”. I think Winnipeg traded for Statsny to fill that vacant center spot while also being a familiar face. The difference though is that Winnipeg is trying to compete while Yzerman has come out multiple times saying he is looking on taking cap dumps for futures so this go against that. You can’t just apply one teams trade to another if they’re trying to accomplish different things (compete vs rebuild). So I think what that Wings poster is saying is that Detroit would only take Bozak as a dump otherwise we’d be fine running one of Fabbri, Vladdy, or Flip as a 2C and using that leverage to gain futures.
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Oct 18 at 11:35
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Quoting: BStinson
Statsny makes 5.5M and Bozak makes 4.25M as cap hit <> “making”. I think Winnipeg traded for Statsny to fill that vacant center spot while also being a familiar face. The difference though is that Winnipeg is trying to compete while Yzerman has come out multiple times saying he is looking on taking cap dumps for futures so this go against that. You can’t just apply one teams trade to another if they’re trying to accomplish different things (compete vs rebuild). So I think what that Wings poster is saying is that Detroit would only take Bozak as a dump otherwise we’d be fine running one of Fabbri, Vladdy, or Flip as a 2C and using that leverage to gain futures.


Then Blues would probably look else where. Looking at Detroit is pointless, because that would be fleecing the Blues. When we don't have cap space issues anyway.
Oct 19 at 12:05
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Then Blues would probably look else where. Looking at Detroit is pointless, because that would be fleecing the Blues. When we don't have cap space issues anyway.

That’s fine, I was just pointing out why Detroit fans wouldn’t like the OP’s trade. We’ve seen Schmidt go for a third and I’d consider him substantially worth more than Bozak. I also think it would be difficult to move cap space currently but that isn’t your problem giving Pietrangelo signed in Vegas.
Oct 19 at 11:56
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redw1n9s
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Edited Oct 19 at 12:27
Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Quitting being a troll and bring something useful to the conversation or see yourself out of the conversation.


you still haven't explained why the Wings, a team in a complete rebuild, are going to PAY a team to take on a cap dump....
Oct 19 at 11:58
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redw1n9s
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Quoting: BStinson
Statsny makes 5.5M and Bozak makes 4.25M as cap hit <> “making”. I think Winnipeg traded for Statsny to fill that vacant center spot while also being a familiar face. The difference though is that Winnipeg is trying to compete while Yzerman has come out multiple times saying he is looking on taking cap dumps for futures so this go against that. You can’t just apply one teams trade to another if they’re trying to accomplish different things (compete vs rebuild). So I think what that Wings poster is saying is that Detroit would only take Bozak as a dump otherwise we’d be fine running one of Fabbri, Vladdy, or Flip as a 2C and using that leverage to gain futures.


I/we really shouldn't have to explain this to anyone at this point.
Oct 19 at 12:01
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Quoting: redw1n9s
you still haven't explained why the Wings, a team in a complete rebuild, is going to PAY a team to take on a cap dump....


Quoting: redw1n9s
I/we really shouldn't have to explain this to anyone at this point.


Never said it would have to be the Wings tho. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Wings or Sabres or someone else. Just because you are in a certain situation doesn’t mean you gonna get cap dumps for someone who has positive value.
Oct 19 at 12:27
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redw1n9s
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Never said it would have to be the Wings tho. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Wings or Sabres or someone else. Just because you are in a certain situation doesn’t mean you gonna get cap dumps for someone who has positive value.


lol you literally have this as a trade to the Wings, and then I asked why would the Wings pay to take Bozak. You proceeded to explain it was because the Jets paid x for Stastny... .makes no sense.

Why even make an ACGM if you're not going to do a realistic one? I don't get it.
Oct 19 at 1:00
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol you literally have this as a trade to the Wings, and then I asked why would the Wings pay to take Bozak. You proceeded to explain it was because the Jets paid x for Stastny... .makes no sense.

Why even make an ACGM if you're not going to do a realistic one? I don't get it.


Not my ACGM but okay.
Oct 19 at 1:01
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol you literally have this as a trade to the Wings, and then I asked why would the Wings pay to take Bozak. You proceeded to explain it was because the Jets paid x for Stastny... .makes no sense.

Why even make an ACGM if you're not going to do a realistic one? I don't get it.


Keep going maybe you’ll get McDavid Drai RNH And a 1st round pick for FC.
Oct 19 at 1:04
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Quoting: redw1n9s
lol you literally have this as a trade to the Wings, and then I asked why would the Wings pay to take Bozak. You proceeded to explain it was because the Jets paid x for Stastny... .makes no sense.

Why even make an ACGM if you're not going to do a realistic one? I don't get it.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2049004 Here’s mine.

You gonna want 3 first round picks and Vince Dunn for FC too? Lol
Oct 19 at 1:08
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redw1n9s
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2049004 Here’s mine.

You gonna want 3 first round picks and Vince Dunn for FC too? Lol


You're very lost
Oct 19 at 1:48
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Quoting: redw1n9s
You're very lost


No I’m not I’m perfectly fine. I understand now everyone who wants to trade with Detroit no matter if they are worth something or not have to give a bunch of assets up and positive valued players to make the trade work for Detroit. Seem about right? Cuz that’s how you both explained it.
Oct 19 at 2:28
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redw1n9s
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
No I’m not I’m perfectly fine. I understand now everyone who wants to trade with Detroit no matter if they are worth something or not have to give a bunch of assets up and positive valued players to make the trade work for Detroit. Seem about right? Cuz that’s how you both explained it.


No, you're just very lost.

It's okay, move on.
Oct 19 at 2:58
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CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: redw1n9s
No, you're just very lost.

It's okay, move on.


No that is exactly how you explained it. Bozak is positive value but you want him to be a cap dump. So why not you know McDavid Crosby Tarasenko ROR Dunn like that's just the analogy here on everything. Can't pick one to be a cap dump and the other not to be. Stastny and Bozak are both positive value. You can't pick and choose who's a cap dump and who's not. You have no understanding of MARKET VALUE. And also no understanding of You still pay for the price they are worth. Market Value was set at a 4th round pick. So indeed i'm not lost.
 
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