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Top 30 Centers in the league come attack me

Created by: MelonVK
Initial Creation Date: Oct 19, 2020
Published: Oct 19 at 5:11
Team: 2020-21 Custom Team
Team Explanation
I'm doing this because I hate myself and feed off of your anger. I can already tell this is going to be brutal, but well, I guess I love attention?

I didn't make this list for you to tell me that Connor McDavid actually is really good, I clearly disagree with him being the #1 player in the game. If you can't play defense, at a certain point your offense isn't enough. It doesn't matter if you're McDavid, Draisaitl, Ovechkin (apparently only Nylander who's way better defensively than all those guys). No, Barkov isn't some secret defensive gem, he had other good underlying numbers though, but he's catched up to those in terms of production now - again he's not a secret at this point. ROR, Toews, Krejci, Larkin and Hischier are pretty much that on the other hand.
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
32$81,500,000$239,879,666$0$2,850,000-$158,379,666

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
SJS
Couture, Logan
$8,000,000
C, LW
NTC
UFA - 7
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
WSH
Kuznetsov, Evgeny
$7,800,000
C
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
CGY
Monahan, Sean
$6,375,000
C
NTC
UFA - 3
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 6
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
WPG
Scheifele, Mark
$6,125,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
FLA
Barkov, Aleksander
$5,900,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
CHI
Toews, Jonathan
$10,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 3
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
CAR
Aho, Sebastian
$8,454,000
C, LW
UFA - 4
WSH
Bäckström, Nicklas
$9,200,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
$7,500,000
C
UFA - 3
Barzal, Matthew
$5,000,000
BOS
Krejci, David
$7,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
DET
Larkin, Dylan
$6,100,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
LAK
Kopitar, Anze
$10,000,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
NJD
Hischier, Nico
$7,250,000
C
UFA - 7
SJS
Hertl, Tomas
$5,625,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
Dubois, Pierre-Luc
$5,000,000
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
DAL
Seguin, Tyler
$9,850,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender

Special Teams

Penalty Kill 1
Couture, L.
 
Danault, P.
 
Penalty Kill 2
Kuznetsov, E.
 
Monahan, S.
 

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Oct 19 at 5:13
#1
The Chief of Kief
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McDavid is... 7th...
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Oct 19 at 5:13
#2
BaRzAl OfFeRsHeEt
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David Krejci -_-
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Oct 19 at 5:14
#3
RangerWall92
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Oh jeez
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Oct 19 at 5:14
#4
Big Buch Energy
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This is brutal
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Oct 19 at 5:15
#5
Leafs Fan Hater.
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You didn't put them in order right?
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Oct 19 at 5:15
#6
mint
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danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?
Oct 19 at 5:17
#7
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?


Monahan, Danault and Kuznetsov are all on there but apparently it cut off
Oct 19 at 5:17
#8
Leafs Fan Hater.
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?


Malkin Kuznetsov, maybe Monahan. Danault? Yeah, no.
Oct 19 at 5:17
#9
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Quoting: Chief_Kief
McDavid is... 7th...


yup
Oct 19 at 5:17
#10
The Chief of Kief
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Quoting: lebronisdagoat
danault?
monahan?
malkin?
Kuznetsov?


Good lord not Kuznetsov
Oct 19 at 5:17
#11
best poster
Joined: Jul 2019
Posts: 3,688
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this is peak two-way forward circlejerk.

impressive.
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Oct 19 at 5:18
#12
The Chief of Kief
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Quoting: dzad96
Malkin Kuznetsov, maybe Monahan. Danault? Yeah, no.


Danault is very good
Oct 19 at 5:19
#13
best poster
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Quoting: Chief_Kief
Danault is very good


Not sure he has a case for top 30 in the league. For me he'd need to break 60 points at least.
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Oct 19 at 5:21
#14
The Chief of Kief
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Quoting: mondo
Not sure he has a case for top 30 in the league. For me he'd need to break 60 points at least.


Yeah the points havent translated from his play but hes def better than Kuznetsov
Oct 19 at 5:26
#15
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When you turn on shuffle on spotify
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Oct 19 at 5:32
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Quoting: mondo
this is peak two-way forward circlejerk.

impressive.


Quoting: mondo
Not sure he has a case for top 30 in the league. For me he'd need to break 60 points at least.


You realise how flawed your thinking is?

If the best offensive forward in the league is the worst defensive forward in the league he's league average in theory. Needing "to break 60 points" is the strangest requirement. What if you're the best defensive forward in the league - no one can score on you, and you always manage 59 points and +59 every season - are you not the best forward in the league, never mind on this list?

Now, I even have some leeway here: if you're immensely talented offensively, but equally poor on defense, that's still better than average on both - since coaches can adjust situations for you.

I'd love to hear your justification for offense apparently counting for approx. 90% of player value.
Oct 19 at 5:34
#17
Leafs Fan Hater.
Joined: Feb 2019
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Quoting: MelonVK
You realise how flawed your thinking is?

If the best offensive forward in the league is the worst defensive forward in the league he's league average in theory. Needing "to break 60 points" is the strangest requirement. What if you're the best defensive forward in the league - no one can score on you, and you always manage 59 points and +59 every season - are you not the best forward in the league, never mind on this list?

Now, I even have some leeway here: if you're immensely talented offensively, but equally poor on defense, that's still better than average on both - since coaches can adjust situations for you.

I'd love to hear your justification for offense apparently counting for approx. 90% of player value.


Last I checked you need more goals than the other team to win. Need to score to do that.
Oct 19 at 5:35
#18
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This is what advanced stats do to people lol
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Oct 19 at 5:35
#19
Stars and Bolts fan
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Oct 19 at 5:36
#20
RangerWall92
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Quoting: MelonVK
You realise how flawed your thinking is?

If the best offensive forward in the league is the worst defensive forward in the league he's league average in theory. Needing "to break 60 points" is the strangest requirement. What if you're the best defensive forward in the league - no one can score on you, and you always manage 59 points and +59 every season - are you not the best forward in the league, never mind on this list?

Now, I even have some leeway here: if you're immensely talented offensively, but equally poor on defense, that's still better than average on both - since coaches can adjust situations for you.

I'd love to hear your justification for offense apparently counting for approx. 90% of player value.


Excuse me sir, I'm questioning whether you've actually watched a game of hockey. But I severely doubt it. This list sucks loool
Oct 19 at 5:37
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Quoting: dzad96
Last I checked you need more goals than the other team to win. Need to score to do that.


That does in no way, shape or form engage with the comment I made.

Also - if McDavid can't score when you're on the ice, that defense should be as valuable as his offense
Oct 19 at 5:38
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Quoting: RangerWall92
Excuse me sir, I'm questioning whether you've actually watched a game of hockey. But I severely doubt it. This list sucks loool


I see you haven't checked out my profile
Oct 19 at 5:39
#23
RangerWall92
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Quoting: MelonVK
I see you haven't checked out my profile


You're a bruins fan. Makes sense
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Oct 19 at 5:43
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Quoting: MelonVK
That does in no way, shape or form engage with the comment I made.

Also - if McDavid can't score when you're on the ice, that defense should be as valuable as his offense


You are ignoring the fact that a forward's specific responsibility is to score goals where as a defensemen is meant to prevent goals.

Also, you are making an assumption that defensive forwards can prevent goals at the same rate that offensive forwards can score goals. When in a reality, an elite defensive forward has less control over goals allowed as elite offensive forwards have over goals scored.
Oct 19 at 5:44
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This is god awful
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