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If your LA why hold onto these two

Created by: dzad96
Team: 2020-21 Los Angeles Kings
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 20, 2020
Published: Oct. 20, 2020
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Tough now because of their cap hits and the flat cap situation, but if you're LA, how does holding onto Kopitar and Doughty make sense? Major rebuild taking place, get stuff for them while you still can...

Trades are just ideas, not sure what teams would really make sense. Have to be contenders tho.

Trades might not be balanced great, let me know why and how they should look.

Again just mixing in some new ideas for discussion instead of the same old same all the time. Obvioulsy these are longshot ideas. But if you're LA why wouldn't you explore trading these two?
Trades
1.
LAK
  1. Juulsen, Noah
  2. Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
  3. Lehkonen, Artturi
  4. 2021 1st round pick (MTL)
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Montreal Has needed a 1C forever. Not sure if the cap works, but try make a run while you still have Price and Weber at the top of their games?
MTL
  1. Kopitar, Anze
Additional Details:
Any Kopitar trade would require retention because of flat cap.
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LAK
  1. Bouchard, Evan
  2. Neal, James
  3. Puljujärvi, Jesse
  4. 2021 1st round pick (EDM)
  5. 2022 1st round pick (EDM)
  6. 2022 2nd round pick (EDM)
Additional Details:
Edmonton gets a true #1 D to play with Klefbom (when healthy)
EDM
  1. Doughty, Drew
Additional Details:
Neal to offset cap is why so many picks.
Buyouts
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2021
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$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
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$875,000$875,000
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$700,000$700,000
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$700,000$700,000
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:12 p.m.
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were not giving up kk
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:13 p.m.
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I know its weird, but MTL doesn't need a center. And that trade would put MTL over the cap by a good amount and then they would have to trade tatar or drouin or someone like that.
Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:15 p.m.
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Oilers dont want that brutal contract
Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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Holland reports your number as 'Spam' and 'Fraud' before blocking it.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:16 p.m.
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Exactly! That's the spirit. Crazy to hold onto them with sreadily declining value and contention is years away.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:19 p.m.
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Not going to happen. Blake has already been quoted saying that the rebuild is happening with Kopitar and Doughty as the core. They're not going anywhere before their current contracts end.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:21 p.m.
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Because you’ve drastically over valued them
Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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Man I like kopitar but hes 33 making 10 million in a flat cap world. Teams just dont wa.t that unless you take a good chunk of money back. You arent going to get full value for him either.
Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:33 p.m.
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Montreal is a hard pass, a 33 year old Kopitar with a $10M cap hit for 4 seasons.

Edmonton is also a hard pass at that, Doughty for $11M and you're making them pay to take Neal?

both of these players are over valued for the point they are at in their careers. The terms and dollar value are actually negatives and would result in less return.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
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You hold onto those players because they are going to be excellent mentors. What Kopitar will be able to teach Byfield and Doughty will be able to teach any defensive prospect they have will help massively in building a strong foundation to have a wiiiide open cup window in the future. They're still producing and strong at their positions. You need some production / key players even in a rebuild.
Oct. 20, 2020 at 5:00 p.m.
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It's worth mentioning that both Kopitar and Doughty are also still quite productive as of right now. Further, Kopitar's deal expires at the same time as Byfield's ELC (should he slide for a season). Even beyond that deal, it's not a long-term commitment to a $10M Kopitar, where a much cheaper deal would be easily negotiated as Byfield, Turcotte, and Vilardi take the reigns of the forward core.

Doughty's three years younger than Kopitar: if we extend the same line of thought that both men are decent into their 36 year-old seasons, the Kings are only going to have one year of Doughty being bad (bit of an assumption, but nevertheless). That level of talent on the back end when most every other piece is ready to be in-place is invaluable.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 5:02 p.m.
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A guy can't have any fun on here
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 5:06 p.m.
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IMO it’s because their contracts make them almost unmovable. Even if they were both worth their contracts (very debatable), very few teams have 10 million dollars lying around to trade for a superstar, and the few teams that do are rebuilding teams in the same boat as LA. Any trade would have to involve similar salaries going back which almost certainly means another star coming back to LA which makes the trade counterproductive.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 9:56 p.m.
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Not going to happen. Blake has already been quoted saying that the rebuild is happening with Kopitar and Doughty as the core. They're not going anywhere before their current contracts end.


Ahahaha that's so effing stupid what a clown yeesh

Ah yes 35 year old KopitarDoughty at 21M yay 🙄

The point of the post is they *should* do this
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 10:06 p.m.
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Ahahaha that's so effing stupid what a clown yeesh

Ah yes 35 year old KopitarDoughty at 21M yay 🙄

The point of the post is they *should* do this


Sure, but they won't. Kopitar and Doughty will never leave LA unless it is of their own accord. They will play their entire careers and retire as Kings. They'll have their jerseys retired and likely get statues in front of Staples Center along with the other career Kings, Brown and Quick.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 2:47 a.m.
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If you're Penguins why hold onto Crosby, Malkin, and Letang?
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 2:50 a.m.
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Ahahaha that's so effing stupid what a clown yeesh

Ah yes 35 year old KopitarDoughty at 21M yay 🙄

The point of the post is they *should* do this


The rebuild is almost finished, they have almost all pieces drafted and after next draft its really just developing from there. So why should they do it? Because it certainly doesn't make sense for the Kings.

What is "effing stupid" is your lack of understanding from a business standpoint. If the Kings traded both Kopitar and Doughty, you can surely expect a total dive downward in ticket sales and revenue, clown.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 2:52 a.m.
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Quoting: BeterChiarelli
It's worth mentioning that both Kopitar and Doughty are also still quite productive as of right now. Further, Kopitar's deal expires at the same time as Byfield's ELC (should he slide for a season). Even beyond that deal, it's not a long-term commitment to a $10M Kopitar, where a much cheaper deal would be easily negotiated as Byfield, Turcotte, and Vilardi take the reigns of the forward core.

Doughty's three years younger than Kopitar: if we extend the same line of thought that both men are decent into their 36 year-old seasons, the Kings are only going to have one year of Doughty being bad (bit of an assumption, but nevertheless). That level of talent on the back end when most every other piece is ready to be in-place is invaluable.


Love seeing people with common sense on this site. Nobody ever thinks about the bigger picture like you're doing. You're 100% right and I agree completely.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 2:54 a.m.
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Exactly! That's the spirit. Crazy to hold onto them with sreadily declining value and contention is years away.


I'd love to hear this "steadily declining" evaluation of yours if you don't mind...
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 11:11 a.m.
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If you're Penguins why hold onto Crosby, Malkin, and Letang?


They can still contend. At least I thought they could before this offseason then rutherford decided to do rutherford things.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 11:12 a.m.
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I'd love to hear this "steadily declining" evaluation of yours if you don't mind...


Age. Father time is undefeated.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 3:56 p.m.
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Age. Father time is undefeated.


Neither of those two things are affecting them right now.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 3:58 p.m.
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Neither of those two things are affecting them right now.


Well you asked why they're steadily declining, every athlete in the history of sports does after 30
Oct. 21, 2020 at 4:06 p.m.
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Well you asked why they're steadily declining, every athlete in the history of sports does after 30


Thats not entirely true. Arguably some Dustin Browns best seasons were as a 33 year old and 34 year old
Look at Giordano.

Especially not with Kopitar and Doughty. Kopitar hasn't slowed down at all and is the same player he's always been. Just watch him or just look at his production. He would have gotten over 70 points if it was a full season.

Doughty got 5 points in 5 games 5 times last season and 6 points in 5 games once. He's not declining. He's on a rebuilding team. Its common sense...
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