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Team: 2020-21 Winnipeg Jets
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 20, 2020
Published: Oct. 20, 2020
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21$81,500,000$78,426,191$0$0$3,073,809
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$775,000$775,000
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:33 p.m.
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What's the point though?
Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:34 p.m.
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No, you got Stastney for a 4th, Chicago isn't trading one of the best players in franchise history for a 4th
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:37 p.m.
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Quoting: Beetlejuice
No, you got Stastney for a 4th, Chicago isn't trading one of the best players in franchise history for a 4th


Opens up 24 million over 3 years, for a 1 and done or a cheaper top 6 stopgap. Who’s buying toews for that contract, all about going forward not past.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:38 p.m.
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What's the point though?


Homecoming for toews and cap relief for Chicago
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:39 p.m.
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Interesting. I don't see it happening unless you add a 1st/2nd rounder
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:41 p.m.
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Interesting. I don't see it happening unless you add a 1st/2nd rounder


Not happening within division, jets aren’t spending the 30 million owed
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Efmjnc
Interesting. I don't see it happening unless you add a 1st/2nd rounder


Quoting: Birtle34
Opens up 24 million over 3 years, for a 1 and done or a cheaper top 6 stopgap. Who’s buying toews for that contract, all about going forward not past.


no still Chicago rejects, If Chicago were to retain 3 million on Toews deal there will be a lot better offers than f*cking Stastny
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:45 p.m.
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Quoting: Birtle34
Homecoming for toews and cap relief for Chicago


Chicago doesn't need cap relief, they need picks and Prospects for the rebuild.
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Beetlejuice
no still Chicago rejects, If Chicago were to retain 3 million on Toews deal there will be a lot better offers than f*cking Stastny


So your spending 9 million over 3 years to get rid of him, and 7.5 million toews Is getting you what? Most teams going to have to return you 6.5 to 8.5 just to make it work, and your still on the hook for the original 9 million, but tell my that legendary return your getting lol
Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:52 p.m.
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Quoting: KMMHL2012
Chicago doesn't need cap relief, they need picks and Prospects for the rebuild.


For sure, cap relief could make you a player on some of the guys that weren’t qualified or also make some shorter than 3 year cap dumps. I still think they should have traded him instead of paying him and kept Kane or the other way around, Chicago loves there statues though.
Oct. 20, 2020 at 7:57 p.m.
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if they're rebuild starts with trading one of their best players for absolutely no futures, they're going to have a very tough rebuild haha
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Oct. 20, 2020 at 8:05 p.m.
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if they're rebuild starts with trading one of their best players for absolutely no futures, they're going to have a very tough rebuild haha


There base is there with dach and boquist, and they have no trouble attracting free agents, so this is more of a dumping 30 million to spend it again, in a level cap era, they maybe some bargains and a retool over a longer rebuild, But yes this wouldn’t happen within division and not sure of many teams signing up for 30 million
Oct. 20, 2020 at 8:15 p.m.
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if they're rebuild starts with trading one of their best players for absolutely no futures, they're going to have a very tough rebuild haha


Quoting: Birtle34
There base is there with dach and boquist, and they have no trouble attracting free agents, so this is more of a dumping 30 million to spend it again, in a level cap era, they maybe some bargains and a retool over a longer rebuild, But yes this wouldn’t happen within division and not sure of many teams signing up for 30 million




Detroit fans can agree with that. We would have gotten a haul if Zetterberg or Datsyuk were ever traded when we should have been rebuilding. Our cap space just lead to bad deals being signed like Frans Nielsen. Futures are worth more to a rebuilding team than just cap space IMO, but I do get the idea proposed by the original thread starter.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 12:47 a.m.
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Interesting would be laine and henoila 4 kane and boqist see how he does year 1 if good dump pionk for a guy like severson for 2nd pair and hope samberg can be servicable top4
Mabye fetti can 2c elhers and kane. Full cup send. Lots of ifs and nmcs but interesting
Oct. 21, 2020 at 1:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Birtle34
Opens up 24 million over 3 years, for a 1 and done or a cheaper top 6 stopgap. Who’s buying toews for that contract, all about going forward not past.


LOL so Toews just becomes a cap dump? C'mon man, this is flat out awful. Doesn't matter anyway, Hawks aren't trading Toews and Toews isn't asking for a trade.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 1:24 a.m.
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For sure, cap relief could make you a player on some of the guys that weren’t qualified or also make some shorter than 3 year cap dumps. I still think they should have traded him instead of paying him and kept Kane or the other way around, Chicago loves there statues though.


their not "there" and we love our cups is what we love. Seriously guy, you are out of your mind thinking Toews is a big cap dump worth only Stansy. If, and that's a really BIG IF, they were to trade Toews, they would retain $3M give or take and get a pretty damn good return. For a real cup contending team, adding Toews is huge and at $7.5M is a hell of a bargain for what he brings both on and off the ice.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 1:27 a.m.
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Interesting would be laine and henoila 4 kane and boqist see how he does year 1 if good dump pionk for a guy like severson for 2nd pair and hope samberg can be servicable top4
Mabye fetti can 2c elhers and kane. Full cup send. Lots of ifs and nmcs but interesting


You aren't getting Kane and Boqvist for Laine (a 1 year rental that will cost what Kane does) and Heinola, jets would have to add. Kane and Laine could be interesting but Kane isn't waiving for Winnipeg so it's a moot point.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 7:34 a.m.
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LOL so Toews just becomes a cap dump? C'mon man, this is flat out awful. Doesn't matter anyway, Hawks aren't trading Toews and Toews isn't asking for a trade.


yup, IF Toews gets traded, it starts with a 1st rd pick, Vesalainen, Heinola... if salary is retained in the $3M range, add another 1st rd pick for 3 years of retention.

any cap overages is Winnipegs business to deal with.
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 7:49 a.m.
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LOL so Toews just becomes a cap dump? C'mon man, this is flat out awful. Doesn't matter anyway, Hawks aren't trading Toews and Toews isn't asking for a trade.

How many cups since they paid toews and Kane? And how many contenders have room for a 7.5 million dollar player? And your paying 9 million over 3 for him to play somewhere else. Nice to have loyalty, and never let reality stand in the way lol.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 10:34 a.m.
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How many cups since they paid toews and Kane? And how many contenders have room for a 7.5 million dollar player? And your paying 9 million over 3 for him to play somewhere else. Nice to have loyalty, and never let reality stand in the way lol.


We have 3 because of those 2 guys and 1 since paying them; unfortunately players get paid what they've done also if you haven't noticed not just what they are going to do....kind of how you base a players contract on. And yes, IF and that is a BIG IF they were to trade Toews, they would retain around $3M to get max value for him and yes, there are a handful of teams that would make space for a guy like Toews at $7.5M....NYR is one of them off the top of my head.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 10:42 a.m.
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We have 3 because of those 2 guys and 1 since paying them; unfortunately players get paid what they've done also if you haven't noticed not just what they are going to do....kind of how you base a players contract on. And yes, IF and that is a BIG IF they were to trade Toews, they would retain around $3M to get max value for him and yes, there are a handful of teams that would make space for a guy like Toews at $7.5M....NYR is one of them off the top of my head.


I just bank on fathertime being undefeated and 7.5 million investment in toews going forward is ugly cap management and being excited about retaining 3 million is even worse, all for mid level prospects that may barely crack top 6 minutes is just something I wouldn’t be excited about. Especially with the amount of unqualified free agents sitting out there. The package coming back may have some future non qualified free agents also, but looks better on paper. But too each his own, hawks love there statues.
Oct. 21, 2020 at 11:20 a.m.
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I just bank on fathertime being undefeated and 7.5 million investment in toews going forward is ugly cap management and being excited about retaining 3 million is even worse, all for mid level prospects that may barely crack top 6 minutes is just something I wouldn’t be excited about. Especially with the amount of unqualified free agents sitting out there. The package coming back may have some future non qualified free agents also, but looks better on paper. But too each his own, hawks love there statues.


LMAO We love our cups; of course you being a Jets and Coyotes fan wouldn't understand what that's like laugh
Oct. 21, 2020 at 11:31 a.m.
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LMAO We love our cups; of course you being a Jets and Coyotes fan wouldn't understand what that's like laugh

Hope you have them close and upgrade them with technology, probably another 40/50 years til there’s hope again
Oct. 21, 2020 at 12:37 p.m.
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I just bank on fathertime being undefeated and 7.5 million investment in toews going forward is ugly cap management and being excited about retaining 3 million is even worse, all for mid level prospects that may barely crack top 6 minutes is just something I wouldn’t be excited about. Especially with the amount of unqualified free agents sitting out there. The package coming back may have some future non qualified free agents also, but looks better on paper. But too each his own, hawks love there statues.


I think you're the only one implying they get mid level prospects.

My vision of what a trade would be with Winnipeg would be Toews (-$3M) for a 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 4th, Vesalainen, and Heinola for Stastny and Perreault (both of which are to free room on expiring contracts)

and, why are you ****ting on Toews and him getting older, then trying to get him for almost nothing?
if he's that bad, and going to get worse as per your implication, why go for him with that big of a cap hit for 3 seasons?
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Oct. 21, 2020 at 12:49 p.m.
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I think you're the only one implying they get mid level prospects.

My vision of what a trade would be with Winnipeg would be Toews (-$3M) for a 2021 1st, 2021 2nd, 2022 4th, Vesalainen, and Heinola for Stastny and Perreault (both of which are to free room on expiring contracts)

and, why are you ****ting on Toews and him getting older, then trying to get him for almost nothing?
if he's that bad, and going to get worse as per your implication, why go for him with that big of a cap hit for 3 seasons?

Devils advocate on a bunch of guys thinking he’s got 3 top end years left, when he’s probably has a year of top end hockey left a mediocre year, and a questionable buyout before year 3, Jets don’t send anything too exciting for him, and if they do what happens when the hawks knock them down to bubble team. All this retain 3 million off is crazy, that’s a solid kid off his entry level deal, that your basically trading for 3 years of retention. Jets can’t afford to miss on him and pay that much for him, your going to have to peddle him to large markets who can buy there way out of any possible mistakes. Like a leafs type scenario of shipping marleaus third year to Carolina for a 1st.
 
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