Why John Tavares is not overrated

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Created by: RangerWall92

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 22, 2020

Published: Oct. 22, 2020

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I see a lot of people calling JT overrated nowadays. Sure, he didn't have the best season, but 60 points in 63 games for a down year is pretty good. Also, he may be overpaid by a couple million but you don't get a player like him in free agency every year.

He's not the fastest skater, but is still very strong defensively as well as offensively. He plays a shutdown role while playing against other team's top lines and also manages to put up solid numbers at the same time.

Take into account that he had an oblique injury prior to the 19-20 season which took him most of the offseason to recover. He was also a brand new dad, his role changed from being an alternate to being the captain of a new team, suffered a broken finger, and was under a coaching change a few months into the season.

He did all this while being just under point a game. Elite player in my mind.

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22	$81,500,000	$81,691,450	$0	$0	-$191,450

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Marner, Mitchell $10,903,000$10,903,000 RW UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000$900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas $821,667$821,667 LW, RW RFA - 4	Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1
	Thornton, Joe $700,000$700,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1
	Boyd, Travis $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Holl, Justin $2,000,000$2,000,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1
Sandin, Rasmus $894,167$894,167 LD UFA - 2

Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:03 p.m.

csick

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Still having 4 forward making over half the cap was never a good idea

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.

mondo

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my wife left me

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:04 p.m.

Salzy

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People assume overpaid=overrated which isn’t the case. Is Tavares overpaid? Yeah 100% but he isn’t over rated at all

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:05 p.m.

Breadmanhawks

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I mean he's a good player but he's paid like a top 10 player when he's really a top 40 player

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:05 p.m.

vr1995

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Quoting: csick

Still having 4 forward making over half the cap was never a good idea

if he was willing to meet with all 31 teams and they all could have made it work, then all 31 teams would have met with him, i dont doubt that for a second, one of the most coveted FA in history

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:10 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

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Quoting: Salzy

People assume overpaid=overrated which isn’t the case. Is Tavares overpaid? Yeah 100% but he isn’t over rated at all

This

Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:25 p.m.

chungus

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Edited Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:50 p.m.

Quoting: csick

Still having 4 forward making over half the cap was never a good idea

imo that doesn't matter, if they're good

for all the crap tavares gets, he's had 73 goals since 18/19 at $11M AAV, while JVR, Bozak, Komarov, Kadri and Martin have had a combined 112 for $22M.

In that scenario, the leafs would have 63% their cap tied up in matthews, jvr, kadri, bozak, komarov, marner, willy, and martin and they'd only have an extra 39 goals over two seasons, and they'd be spending $11M more.

We can get a player who can score 20 goals per season for WAY less than $11M aav, such as Jimmy Vesey for $900K or a couple guys like Spezza/Anderson/Barabanov for under a mil.

So we match or even exceed the production on cheap bargain bin guys, and still have $8.475M to spare

Plus, every single one of those guys we let go (except Kadri) have become anchors and cap dumps, whereby Tavares at $11M is our captain and our #2 elite matchup centre who pots 35-40 every year across 82 games.

tl;dr tavares is good because math and goals

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:27 p.m.

vr1995

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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas

people can say what they want but its a leaf thing too, if he picked anyone but the leafs the running joke would be about how tavares wanted no part of the leafs even if they were his hometown team

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 5:53 p.m.

chungus

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Quoting: mondo

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this made my evening

Oct. 22, 2020 at 6:44 p.m.

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Jangle29

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

I mean he's a good player but he's paid like a top 10 player when he's really a top 40 player

Haha oh my. As soon as he signed with Toronto he went from top 10 to top 40 according to everyone

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 6:46 p.m.

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Breadmanhawks

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Quoting: Jangle29

Haha oh my. As soon as he signed with Toronto he went from top 10 to top 40 according to everyone

I mean he is a fringe top 20 center probably right around the 20 mark and then you consider wingers there's probably at least 10 that are better than him and then you factor in defense and goalies and it's actually a pretty generous offer

Oct. 22, 2020 at 6:48 p.m.

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Jangle29

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Quoting: Breadmanhawks

This time last year when TSN ranked him they had him at 12. He had an injury short year. He will be back

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