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Is Tavares elite

Created by: Breadmanhawks
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Initial Creation Date: Oct. 22, 2020
Published: Oct. 22, 2020
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So there's been discussion over whether Tavares is still an elite player. I created this list of players who I believe are definitely better. I also didn't include a lot of great players including Kyle Connor, Laine, McAvoy, Provorov, Giroux, Kopitar, Toews, Karlsson, Doughty, Theodore, Svechnikov, Teravainen, Fox, Nugent hopkins, Lindholm, Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, etc because these are more debatable. I just want to see what the consensus is about his standing.
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37$81,000,000$244,350,235$0$11,550,000-$163,350,235
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
C
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Boston Bruins
$6,666,667$6,666,667
RW
UFA - 3
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$5,900,000$5,900,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$10,000,000$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Chicago Blackhawks
$2,625,000$2,625,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the New York Rangers
$11,642,857$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$9,538,462$9,538,462
LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$8,500,000$8,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
Logo of the Edmonton Oilers
$12,500,000$12,500,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$9,500,000$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the New York Rangers
$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Philadelphia Flyers
$4,333,333$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Pittsburgh Penguins
$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$1,875,000$1,875,000
C
UFA - 3
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$6,750,000$6,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$8,500,000$8,500,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
C, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Florida Panthers
$5,900,000$5,900,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Buffalo Sabres
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$2,850,000$3M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,750,000$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Carolina Hurricanes
$5,300,000$5,300,000
LD
UFA - 5
Logo of the Colorado Avalanche
$880,833$880,833 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$5,400,000$5,400,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$5,000,000$5,000,000
LD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Dallas Stars
$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$2,500,000$2M)
LD/RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Nashville Predators
$9,059,000$9,059,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo of the St. Louis Blues
$5,500,000$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Tampa Bay Lightning
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
Logo of the Vancouver Canucks
$916,667$916,667 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
$8,800,000$8,800,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Washington Capitals
$8,000,000$8,000,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 6

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Oct. 22, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
#26
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
Oh, I don’t think so.


I do. There are 37 player here. I would argue Tavares is as good as many of them, even better than one or two.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 7:49 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
Is Toews elite ?


As a hawks fan I'll say he's still a 1st line center, but not elite any more. He still gets just under a ppg, is one of the best two way players in the game, and a great leader, but he's not on the level of Mckinnon, Mathews, Mcdavid, Crosby,Eichel, Draisitle, etc anymore. It also depends on how you define the word elite, because personally I think it's thrown around too often on this site
Oct. 22, 2020 at 7:50 p.m.
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He's elite but he's paid like he's in the top 10 which is the problem
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Oct. 22, 2020 at 7:53 p.m.
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lmao I can't wait for tavares to put all this to bed next season and score 45 goals again

this year he had a lingering oblique injury, a coaching change/team turmoil, a broken finger (that he played 7 of 61 games with), he had a child RIGHT BEFORE training camp, had the pressure of being the captain for his first year, plus the pandemic shortened the season to cap things off

the guy just turned 30 like 3 weeks ago, he's got plenty of prime hockey left in him
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Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:03 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I do. There are 37 player here. I would argue Tavares is as good as many of them, even better than one or two.


Fair enough, I believe he is possibly top 10 centers.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:04 p.m.
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
Fair enough, I believe he is possibly top 10 centers.


Well, I realize he's not a top ten player in the league.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:06 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Well, I realize he's not a top ten player in the league.



And now I realize that you meant top 25 out of the whole league. I’m sorry, I thought you meant centers.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:09 p.m.
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And now I realize that you meant top 25 out of the whole league. I’m sorry, I thought you meant centers.


Oh ok. I'd say he's a top 15 centre.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Oh ok. I'd say he's a top 15 centre.



Yah I understand why you said 35. I think he’s top 10 center possibly. I would have to recount.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I'd say top 25 players


are we talking all around play, just offensive production?
Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:32 p.m.
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Quoting: ON3M4N
are we talking all around play, just offensive production?


Offencive production top 25, all around probably about 35. It's hard to judge for sure.
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Oct. 22, 2020 at 8:36 p.m.
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Yah I understand why you said 35. I think he’s top 10 center possibly. I would have to recount.


I agree he might be a top 10 centre. Lets see what centres are better than him. Tell me if you disagree on any (no Draisitl, he a winger I think)
MacKinnon
McDavid
Crosby
Matthews
Eichel
Barkov
Pettersson
Malkin?
Zibanejad?
O'Rielly?
Stamkos?
Point?
So ya, probably a top 10 centre.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 9:14 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Offencive production top 25, all around probably about 35. It's hard to judge for sure.


Tough to argue that just looking at numbers. He's 18th among all players over the last 3 years in production and top 10 in goals scored. Sits just over 54% in the dot while having the 7th most FO wins over the last 3 years as well. Not quite as high in the TkA department (68th) and a -30 in Tka/GvA.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 9:17 p.m.
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Tough to argue that just looking at numbers. He's 18th among all players over the last 3 years in production and top 10 in goals scored. Sits just over 54% in the dot while having the 7th most FO wins over the last 3 years as well. Not quite as high in the TkA department (68th) and a -30 in Tka/GvA.

Oh, I had no idea. I’m a huge Tavares fan, just everyone seems to dislike his contract enough that I figured he wasn’t quite that good. Thank you for pointing this out.
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Oct. 22, 2020 at 9:17 p.m.
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I agree he might be a top 10 centre. Lets see what centres are better than him. Tell me if you disagree on any (no Draisitl, he a winger I think)
MacKinnon
McDavid
Crosby
Matthews
Eichel
Barkov
Pettersson
Malkin?
Zibanejad?
O'Rielly?
Stamkos?
Point?
So ya, probably a top 10 centre.


Draisaitl is a center. Malkin definitely better, Bergeron as well. I disagree on the order, but I see what you mean.
Oct. 22, 2020 at 9:18 p.m.
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Draisaitl is a center. Malkin definitely better, Bergeron as well. I disagree on the order, but I see what you mean.

Ok. Thanks.
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