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Is Tavares elite

Created by: Breadmanhawks
Initial Creation Date: Oct 22, 2020
Published: Oct 22 at 7:03
Team: 2020-21 Custom Team
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So there's been discussion over whether Tavares is still an elite player. I created this list of players who I believe are definitely better. I also didn't include a lot of great players including Kyle Connor, Laine, McAvoy, Provorov, Giroux, Kopitar, Toews, Karlsson, Doughty, Theodore, Svechnikov, Teravainen, Fox, Nugent hopkins, Lindholm, Monahan, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, etc because these are more debatable. I just want to see what the consensus is about his standing.
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
37$81,000,000$257,833,985$0$11,550,000-$176,833,985
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BOS
Marchand, Brad
$6,125,000
LW
NMC
UFA - 5
BOS
Bergeron, Patrice
$6,875,000
C
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
BOS
Pastrnak, David
$6,666,667
RW
UFA - 3
FLA
Huberdeau, Jonathan
$5,900,000
LW, C
NMC
UFA - 3
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
CHI
Kane, Patrick
$10,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 3
NYR
Panarin, Artemi
$11,642,857
LW
NMC
UFA - 6
COL
MacKinnon, Nathan
$6,300,000
C, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
TBL
Kucherov, Nikita
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
WSH
Ovechkin, Alex
$9,538,462
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
EDM
Draisaitl, Leon
$8,500,000
C, LW, RW
UFA - 5
TOR
Marner, Mitchell
$10,893,000
RW
UFA - 5
EDM
McDavid, Connor
$12,500,000
C
UFA - 6
VGK
Stone, Mark
$9,500,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 7
NYR
Zibanejad, Mika
$5,350,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
PHI
Couturier, Sean
$4,333,333
C
UFA - 2
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
STL
O'Reilly, Ryan
$7,500,000
C
UFA - 3
TBL
Point, Brayden
$6,750,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
TBL
Stamkos, Steven
$8,500,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 4
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 4
VAN
Pettersson, Elias
$925,000
C
RFA - 1
FLA
Barkov, Aleksander
$5,900,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
CAR
Hamilton, Dougie
$5,750,000
RD
UFA - 1
CAR
Slavin, Jaccob
$5,300,000
LD
UFA - 5
COL
Makar, Cale
$880,833
RD
RFA - 1
CBJ
Jones, Seth
$5,400,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
CBJ
Werenski, Zachary
$5,000,000
LD
RFA - 2
DAL
Heiskanen, Miro
$894,166
RD
RFA - 1
NSH
Josi, Roman
$9,059,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 8
STL
Parayko, Colton
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
TBL
Hedman, Victor
$7,875,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 5
VAN
Hughes, Quinn
$916,667
LD
RFA - 1
VGK
Pietrangelo, Alex
$8,800,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 7
WSH
Carlson, John
$8,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 6

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Oct 22 at 7:05
#1
KFTW
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Is Toews elite ?
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Oct 22 at 7:06
#2
get off my lawn...
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Tavares fits right in the middle of that list of centres (if they were ordered from best to worst) so take that Fir what it is. Players who play with him always seem to have career seasons.
Oct 22 at 7:07
#3
NHL Trade Inspector
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yes
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Oct 22 at 7:07
#4
Thread Starter
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Quoting: csick
Is Toews elite ?


Not anymore
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Oct 22 at 7:08
#5
mackinnon goat
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Bajkov? lol
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Oct 22 at 7:08
#6
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What do define as elite?
Oct 22 at 7:08
#7
KFTW
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Chabot and Theodore should be among those Dmen
Oct 22 at 7:08
#8
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Yes, why wouldn't he be?... the dudes good, it just came back to haunt them, because they couldn’t go and sign a very good defence man.
Oct 22 at 7:09
#9
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Quoting: csick
Chabot and Theodore should be among those Dmen


I left Chabot off by accident.

Theodore I put in the debatable category. Didn't want to be too presumptuous
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Oct 22 at 7:10
#10
KFTW
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I left Chabot off by accident.

Theodore I put in the debatable category. Didn't want to be too presumptuous

Ah makes sense.
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Oct 22 at 7:10
#11
Thread Starter
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Quoting: moli92
Bajkov? lol


Thought I clicked his name whoops lol
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Oct 22 at 7:10
#12
mackinnon goat
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Hes still elite - in the same tier as Scheifele imo
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Oct 22 at 7:11
#13
Markyyy
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Yes he is.
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Oct 22 at 7:11
#14
RangerWall92
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Yes he is absolutely still elite, but I can tell you half those guys on here aren't better than him
Oct 22 at 7:11
#15
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Quoting: RangerWall92
Yes he is absolutely still elite, but I can tell you half those guys on here aren't better than him


Which ones?
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Oct 22 at 7:12
#16
Thread Starter
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Quoting: ON3M4N
What do define as elite?


I'd say top 25 players
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Oct 22 at 7:21
#17
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IMO this definition is too much all over the place to come to a definitive answer for most on and off the list including Tavares. I mean Svechnikov isn't on the list but Marner is, Laine and Conner aren't but Stone, Kucherov, Huberdeau and Barkov are. Karlsson, Theodore and Doughty aren't but Parynko and Jones are, and don't you think it's a little early to call Makar and Hughes elite? I think you also made a mistake in the RW you have Bajkov from FLA not Barkov lol.
Oct 22 at 7:22
#18
Go Canada
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
I'd say top 25 players


I'd say he's about the 25th best player in the nhl right now. I mean, it's hard to say exactly. All I know is he's elite.
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Oct 22 at 7:25
#19
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Quoting: Saskleaf
I'd say he's about the 25th best player in the nhl right now. I mean, it's hard to say exactly. All I know is he's elite.


Tavares? No not 25th.
Oct 22 at 7:26
#20
Thread Starter
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Quoting: Campabee
IMO this definition is too much all over the place to come to a definitive answer for most on and off the list including Tavares. I mean Svechnikov isn't on the list but Marner is, Laine and Conner aren't but Stone, Kucherov, Huberdeau and Barkov are. Karlsson, Theodore and Doughty aren't but Parynko and Jones are, and don't you think it's a little early to call Makar and Hughes elite? I think you also made a mistake in the RW you have Bajkov from FLA not Barkov lol.


That's fair. I replaced the Barkov one lol

I mean Marner is definitely better than Svechnikov
and Stone, Kucherov, Huberdeau, and Barkov are better than Laine and Connor
The reason I left Karlsson and Doughty off the list was because there's a lot of people that think they are not good anymore, even though I don't agree. I didn't want it to turn into a debate about which ones were better. Theodore, truthfully, I don't know much about and didn't want to add someone who might not have been deserving.

Makar and Hughes aren't necessarily elite yet, it's more of a list of players compared to Tavares.

I think the definition of elite is like let's say 25 players, there are a lot of really talented players in the league and this didn't include goalies and obviously prospects with high potential.
Oct 22 at 7:30
#21
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Quoting: Breadmanhawks
That's fair. I replaced the Barkov one lol

I mean Marner is definitely better than Svechnikov
and Stone, Kucherov, Huberdeau, and Barkov are better than Laine and Connor
The reason I left Karlsson and Doughty off the list was because there's a lot of people that think they are not good anymore, even though I don't agree. I didn't want it to turn into a debate about which ones were better. Theodore, truthfully, I don't know much about and didn't want to add someone who might not have been deserving.

Makar and Hughes aren't necessarily elite yet, it's more of a list of players compared to Tavares.

I think the definition of elite is like let's say 25 players, there are a lot of really talented players in the league and this didn't include goalies and obviously prospects with high potential.


Fair enough, I get the reasoning now. IMO Tavares is elite still but would be right on the cusp of dropping out like within 2 or 3 years he will be 9n the outside looking in much like Toews.
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Oct 22 at 7:35
#22
Leafs
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Tavares had an oblique injury to start the season, came back, and broke his finger. Played with nagging health concerns all year, and was basically a P/PG player.

His most recent healthy year (2018-19), he scored 88 points and 47 goals. Yes, he is still elite.
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Oct 22 at 7:36
#23
Go Canada
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Quoting: Nhl_oilers
Tavares? No not 25th.


Ok, probably more like 35th.
Oct 22 at 7:37
#24
Ragsandbluesfan
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Yes
Oct 22 at 7:47
#25
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Quoting: Saskleaf
Ok, probably more like 35th.



Oh, I don’t think so.
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