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Wild side of Tampas 3-way out

Created by: OutCold13
Initial Creation Date: Oct 21, 2020
Published: Oct 23 at 1:41
Team: 2020-21 Minnesota Wild
Team Explanation
Wild side of 3-way.
***Just the bases of trades balance with draft picks**
Wild send Hunt and Menell to Tampa and get Cirelli in return.
Wild send Talbot and Khovanov to Vegas in return Wild get M-A Fleury.
Dumba and Hartman both have value and should be movable for prospects and picks. Otherwise Wild have a bunch of contracts that should be movable, Guerin has done a good job of creating flexibility and one way or another he can make the cap work.
Probably look at all 3 ACGMs to make trades make sense.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Belpedio, Louis2$900,000
Cirelli, Anthony3$5,500,000
Trades
MIN
  1. Cirelli, Anthony [RFA Rights]
TBL
  1. Hunt, Brad
  2. Menell, Brennan [Reserve List]
MIN
  1. Fleury, Marc-André
VGK
  1. Khovanov, Alexander
  2. Talbot, Cam
MIN
    Both traded away for prospects and picks.
    PHI
    1. Dumba, Matt
    2. Hartman, Ryan
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Devan Dubnyk: $2,166,666 (50%)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    PIT
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    2022
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    SJS
    MIN
    2023
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    MIN
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    22$81,500,000$80,632,755$0$925,000$867,245
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    MIN
    Johansson, Marcus
    $4,500,000
    C, LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    Cirelli, Anthony
    $5,500,000
    C
    RFA
    MIN
    Fiala, Kevin
    $3,000,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Zuccarello, Mats
    $6,000,000
    LW, RW
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    MIN
    Eriksson Ek, Joel
    $1,487,500
    C
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Kaprizov, Kirill
    $925,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Parise, Zach
    $7,538,461
    LW
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    MIN
    Bonino, Nick
    $4,100,000
    C
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Greenway, Jordan
    $2,100,000
    LW, RW
    RFA - 2
    MIN
    Foligno, Marcus
    $2,875,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Sturm, Nico
    $725,000
    C
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Bjugstad, Nick
    $2,050,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    MIN
    Suter, Ryan
    $7,538,461
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    MIN
    Spurgeon, Jared
    $7,575,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    VGK
    Fleury, Marc-André
    $7,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    Brodin, Jonas
    $4,166,667
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    MIN
    Soucy, Carson
    $2,750,000
    D
    UFA - 3
    MIN
    Stalock, Alex
    $785,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    MIN
    McCoshen, Ian
    $700,000
    LD
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Pateryn, Greg
    $2,250,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    MIN
    Belpedio, Louis
    $900,000
    RD
    RFA - 1
    MIN
    Rask, Victor
    $4,000,000
    C
    UFA - 2

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    Oct 23 at 1:43
    #1
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    What is that Tampa trade haha! I would rather have someone offersheet him and then take the compensation then do that trade.
    Oct 23 at 1:44
    #2
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    I have no clue why Tampa makes that Cirelli trade
    Also no clue why the Wild make that Fleury trade
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    Oct 23 at 1:55
    #3
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    Tampa trade: Hell yes but never by Tampa

    Vegas trade: One of the worst trades I've ever seen.

    Dumba trade: well I guess but I'd like to see what they get back.
    Oct 23 at 1:57
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    Quoting: Nhl_oilers
    What is that Tampa trade haha! I would rather have someone offersheet him and then take the compensation then do that trade.


    Read the description
    Oct 23 at 1:57
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    Quoting: Caerii
    I have no clue why Tampa makes that Cirelli trade
    Also no clue why the Wild make that Fleury trade


    Read the description
    Oct 23 at 1:58
    #6
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    Quoting: Paul13
    Read the description


    Probably don't make 3 separate threads for one deal
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    Oct 23 at 2:06
    #7
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    Quoting: Caerii
    Probably don't make 3 separate threads for one deal


    Yeah I apparently didn't convey this very well.
    Oct 23 at 2:10
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    TB gets next to nothing for Cirelli. Hunt is 7D/waiver fodder player, Menell is in the KHL for a couple years. Letting Cirelli walk on an OS for just a 2nd is a better deal for them. You've just signed Cirelli to a contract with a 1st and a 3rd if it was an OS. Send TB something of that value and they might listen, not a couple guys who might be worth a combined 3rd and a 5th.

    Talbot isn't getting traded, he was just signed.

    Not many teams around that could take $6m in cap from Dumba and not send anything back. Hartman at $2m is reasonable to be able to get rid of.
    Oct 23 at 2:21
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    Quoting: wabit
    TB gets next to nothing for Cirelli. Hunt is 7D/waiver fodder player, Menell is in the KHL for a couple years. Letting Cirelli walk on an OS for just a 2nd is a better deal for them. You've just signed Cirelli to a contract with a 1st and a 3rd if it was an OS. Send TB something of that value and they might listen, not a couple guys who might be worth a combined 3rd and a 5th.

    Talbot isn't getting traded, he was just signed.

    Not many teams around that could take $6m in cap from Dumba and not send anything back. Hartman at $2m is reasonable to be able to get rid of.


    If you read the description you would see I feel that these trades could be balanced with picks also Dumba doesn't necessarily need to move Guerin has lot of flexibility in this roster so a number of different moves could be made. Lightning are ultimately getting Payton Krebs and Menell, Hunt is mostly a placeholder in this. Tampa isn't going to get full value but this allows them to sign Sergachev and Cernak. They will likely take a step back but in a few years could be very good again.
    Oct 23 at 2:30
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    Quoting: Paul13
    Yeah I apparently didn't convey this very well.


    It’s pretty straight forward. Each team’s view of a 3 way deal. So people just aren’t good at reading/computing/understanding/etc....

    Lots of thought, seems decent on the surface, Talbot would be happy to be handle a front row seat to the Stanley cup finals but maybe upset that he isn’t in the crease often. I’m sure there’s a few minor + that need to make it all work right.
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    Oct 23 at 2:42
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    Quoting: Paul13
    If you read the description you would see I feel that these trades could be balanced with picks also Dumba doesn't necessarily need to move Guerin has lot of flexibility in this roster so a number of different moves could be made. Lightning are ultimately getting Payton Krebs and Menell, Hunt is mostly a placeholder in this. Tampa isn't going to get full value but this allows them to sign Sergachev and Cernak. They will likely take a step back but in a few years could be very good again.


    Your description says nothing about Krebs. It just says picks to make things work. We're not talking about arguing over a 3rd going one way or another here, there is a significant add from MN and getting Cirelli. The roster has flexability on paper, but really nobody wants/needs most of what MN would make available. There are still way too many player unsigned that are similar to any of the moveable guys. Dumba isn't getting the return MN wants already, being forced to move him to make cap will just make that even lower (same argument you made for Cirelli).

    MAF just kills the cap even more. I don't like the Talbot signing at all, but does adding $3.3m of MAF make much difference at all? MAF wasn't very good last year and isn't young enough to expect him to rebound. He might, but then again he might not; he does have about 1k games NHL played (including Playoffs) and not many goalies in history can say that. That's a big gamble to take.

    I get that you're working with a rough idea, it's just too much needed to make everything work.
    Oct 23 at 2:46
    #12
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    if we are trading cirelli, its gonna start with an unprotected 1st or Rossi
    Oct 23 at 3:06
    #13
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    Quoting: HowYouDrouin
    if we are trading cirelli, its gonna start with an unprotected 1st or Rossi


    Read the description look at the other 2 ACGM's then get back to me. Tampa has cap problems Tampa isn't getting full value. The no one claiming Johnson on waivers proves that.
    Oct 23 at 3:08
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    Quoting: wabit
    Your description says nothing about Krebs. It just says picks to make things work. We're not talking about arguing over a 3rd going one way or another here, there is a significant add from MN and getting Cirelli. The roster has flexability on paper, but really nobody wants/needs most of what MN would make available. There are still way too many player unsigned that are similar to any of the moveable guys. Dumba isn't getting the return MN wants already, being forced to move him to make cap will just make that even lower (same argument you made for Cirelli).

    MAF just kills the cap even more. I don't like the Talbot signing at all, but does adding $3.3m of MAF make much difference at all? MAF wasn't very good last year and isn't young enough to expect him to rebound. He might, but then again he might not; he does have about 1k games NHL played (including Playoffs) and not many goalies in history can say that. That's a big gamble to take.

    I get that you're working with a rough idea, it's just too much needed to make everything work.


    The part of the description where you look at the other 2 ACGMs should clear this up.
    Oct 23 at 3:59
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    Quoting: Paul13
    The part of the description where you look at the other 2 ACGMs should clear this up.


    You didn't even link the other 2 teams. I'm too lazy to be looking for things, and would rather just comment on the thing that's in front of me now.

    Make it simple and in the description and say:
    Team A gives and gets: stuff.
    Team B gives and gets: stuff.
    Team C gives an gets: stuff.
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    Oct 23 at 4:13
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    Quoting: Paul13
    Read the description look at the other 2 ACGM's then get back to me. Tampa has cap problems Tampa isn't getting full value. The no one claiming Johnson on waivers proves that.


    trading an RFA isnt a cap move, youll get full value for an RFA lol. HUGE difference in trading someone thats almost 30 making 5m a year compared to a 23 year old center who is a RFA and finished 4th in selke voting (and had more 1st place votes than ROR who finished 3rd).
    Oct 23 at 6:17
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    Quoting: HowYouDrouin
    trading an RFA isnt a cap move, youll get full value for an RFA lol. HUGE difference in trading someone thats almost 30 making 5m a year compared to a 23 year old center who is a RFA and finished 4th in selke voting (and had more 1st place votes than ROR who finished 3rd).


    That's a fair assessment.
    Oct 23 at 6:17
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    Quoting: wabit
    You didn't even link the other 2 teams. I'm too lazy to be looking for things, and would rather just comment on the thing that's in front of me now.

    Make it simple and in the description and say:
    Team A gives and gets: stuff.
    Team B gives and gets: stuff.
    Team C gives an gets: stuff.


    I wish I knew how to link
    Oct 23 at 6:24
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    Quoting: Paul13
    That's a fair assessment.


    so any trade for Cirelli is gonna start with Rossi or a 1st
    Oct 23 at 7:09
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    Quoting: HowYouDrouin
    so any trade for Cirelli is gonna start with Rossi or a 1st


    1st protected but no Rossi.
     
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