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If they lose the 1st round again

Created by: mauston_atthews
Initial Creation Date: Oct 26, 2020
Published: Oct 26 at 9:54
Team: 2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Dermott, Travis2$1,200,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Coleman, Blake2$3,750,000
Vesey, Jimmy2$1,000,000
Spezza, Jason1$750,000
Andreoff, Andy1$750,000
Simmonds, Wayne1$1,200,000
Dell, Aaron2$850,000
Saad, Brandon3$6,750,000
Binnington, Jordan3$5,650,000
Trades
TOR
  1. Parayko, Colton
  2. 2022 2nd round pick (STL)
STL
  1. Marner, Mitchell
TOR
  1. 2021 7th round pick (DET)
STL
  1. Engvall, Pierre
TOR
  1. 2021 3rd round pick (WPG)
WPG
  1. Holl, Justin
TOR
  1. Järnkrok, Calle
NSH
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
TOR
WPG
TOR
TOR
TOR
DET
2022
TOR
TOR
STL
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
20$81,500,000$79,982,200$0$0$1,517,800
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 2
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,634,000
C
UFA - 3
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 3
Coleman, Blake
$3,750,000
C, LW, RW
UFA
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
Saad, Brandon
$6,750,000
RW, LW
UFA
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
NSH
Järnkrok, Calle
$2,000,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
Andreoff, Andy
$750,000
LW, C
UFA
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$750,000
C, RW
UFA
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,200,000
RW, LW
UFA
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 1
STL
Parayko, Colton
$5,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Binnington, Jordan
$5,650,000
G
UFA
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 3
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 1
TOR
Sandin, Rasmus
$894,167
LD
RFA - 1
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$1,200,000
LD
RFA

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Oct 26 at 10:04
#1
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I dont see how the blues do this trade, their D core is already decimated.
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Oct 26 at 10:05
#2
Jake
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Quoting: Copenhagen
I dont see how the blues do this trade, their D core is already decimated.


Yeah, no shot
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Oct 26 at 10:05
#3
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I like the line up. I think the trades are a bit off but whatever. How do you intend to keep your additions the following year? Parayko and Reilly are going to cost 7M each depending on their play. I think the Saad contract is rather rich as well.
Oct 26 at 10:07
#4
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Quoting: PeterK
I like the line up. I think the trades are a bit off but whatever. How do you intend to keep your additions the following year? Parayko and Reilly are going to cost 7M each depending on their play. I think the Saad contract is rather rich as well.


Yah I like to have Drai/McDavid/Matthews on one line as well, but its not going to happen either.
Oct 26 at 10:21
#5
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Quoting: Copenhagen
I dont see how the blues do this trade, their D core is already decimated.


Quoting: jwg314
Yeah, no shot


If Leafs don't make second round again like the thread poster said, they make this deal in the off season. Then it's 3 years of Marner for 1 of Parayko. No chance St. Louis says no to that with how they just saw Pietrangelo walk. But there's no chance Leafs would consider that anyways
Oct 26 at 10:22
#6
Vegan Commie Hipster
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Quoting: Copenhagen
I dont see how the blues do this trade, their D core is already decimated.


They get a much better and younger player for one

Dunn/Krug/Faulk is fine as a top 3 then Bort/Scand is okay depth then just need to sign a few useful UFAs

Positional need should never supercede aggregate quality, everyone agrees this is the case in drafting, should also be extended to team building etc.

An 8 forward core and 4 defense core is a better team than a 5 forward core and 6 defense core

Unless it's to an extreme and this is far from it
Oct 26 at 10:22
#7
Hockey IQ
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Edit: When the leafs lose in the first round again...
JK
LOL
Oct 26 at 10:25
#8
Vegan Commie Hipster
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Quoting: Copenhagen
I dont see how the blues do this trade, their D core is already decimated.


Forest for trees especially given they're UFA-1 and UFA-5 respectively that's at very least like trading 1$ for 5$ if anything should be criticized in the inverse
Oct 26 at 10:25
#9
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Quoting: Radu47
They get a much better and younger player for one

Dunn/Krug/Faulk is fine as a top 3 then Bort/Scand is okay depth then just need to sign a few useful UFAs

Positional need should never supercede aggregate quality, everyone agrees this is the case in drafting, should also be extended to team building etc.

An 8 forward core and 4 defense core is a better team than a 5 forward core and 6 defense core

Unless it's to an extreme and this is far from it


"Positional need should never supercede aggregate quality" HUH isnt that what you are doing with this trad????
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Oct 26 at 10:34
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CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
If Leafs don't make second round again like the thread poster said, they make this deal in the off season. Then it's 3 years of Marner for 1 of Parayko. No chance St. Louis says no to that with how they just saw Pietrangelo walk. But there's no chance Leafs would consider that anyways


You lack the understanding Blues are not idiots like Toronto. First off Blues value defense but Blues aren’t willing to do what Vegas did get rid of all of the depth for 1 player who is already past his prime. Blues see how other teams paid players for winning cup after winning a cup they aren’t gonna do that, indeed Marner is good but he’s a Playmaker we have a ton of those we need a goal scorer no way in hell Blues would do this. We re-sign Parayko next year and he done with it. It’s not worth paying 8 figures for a guy who wouldn’t produce like he does on Toronto because Toronto is a flashy offensive team Blues are defensive. So this hold narrative that because Pietrangelo walked they are gonna let Parayko walk shows everyone that you are full of it and full of your own team. And you know it.
Oct 26 at 10:50
#11
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Quoting: Copenhagen
I dont see how the blues do this trade, their D core is already decimated.


Decimated? Krug, Dunn, Parayko, Faulk. We're solid and our pipeline is just as good. Losing Petro hurts but there are few teams in the nhl that have better D's
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Oct 26 at 10:53
#12
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Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
Decimated? Krug, Dunn, Parayko, Faulk. We're solid and our pipeline is just as good. Losing Petro hurts but there are few teams in the nhl that have better D's


Yah and take Parayko out of the equation and who are your minute muchers??? Faullk lol Krug lol............. So you would do this trade than???? I sure wouldnt if i was the blues gm
Oct 26 at 11:04
#13
Had a 11.5 chance
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you could get more for Marner
Oct 26 at 11:28
#14
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Quoting: Copenhagen
Yah and take Parayko out of the equation and who are your minute muchers??? Faullk lol Krug lol............. So you would do this trade than???? I sure wouldnt if i was the blues gm


Faulk lol???. the 3 time all star who played on his non-dominant side last season and still played well. Krug who consistently puts up 50 points? You have no idea how stacked we are on D. And regardless, we have zero interest in Marner. We don't need a playmaker which has been mentioned countless times and eating a 11 mill contract would be atrocious for most teams.
Oct 26 at 11:36
#15
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Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
Faulk lol???. the 3 time all star who played on his non-dominant side last season and still played well. Krug who consistently puts up 50 points? You have no idea how stacked we are on D. And regardless, we have zero interest in Marner. We don't need a playmaker which has been mentioned countless times and eating a 11 mill contract would be atrocious for most teams.


Faulk and Krug both are not defense guys, they are offense. You understand that right. Parayko does more for your team than you will ever know.
Oct 26 at 12:02
#16
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Preds decline. Kerfoot doesn't upgrade the lineup. Rather keep the cheaper, more versatile player.
Oct 26 at 12:31
#17
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
You lack the understanding Blues are not idiots like Toronto. First off Blues value defense but Blues aren’t willing to do what Vegas did get rid of all of the depth for 1 player who is already past his prime. Blues see how other teams paid players for winning cup after winning a cup they aren’t gonna do that, indeed Marner is good but he’s a Playmaker we have a ton of those we need a goal scorer no way in hell Blues would do this. We re-sign Parayko next year and he done with it. It’s not worth paying 8 figures for a guy who wouldn’t produce like he does on Toronto because Toronto is a flashy offensive team Blues are defensive. So this hold narrative that because Pietrangelo walked they are gonna let Parayko walk shows everyone that you are full of it and full of your own team. And you know it.


Lol. Shoulda known it'd be you saying Marner isn't worth Parayko. Lmao.
Oct 26 at 12:37
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CPDunn Untouchable
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
Lol. Shoulda known it'd be you saying Marner isn't worth Parayko. Lmao.


Not saying he’s not worth pretty close to even but I should have known you overrate your players. I’d rather take a quality Defenseman who is Top 20 on a cheap contract than pay Marner one of the Top 10 most expensive contracts in the league to be boosted by his teammates (which wouldn’t be the same in St.Louis)
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Oct 26 at 1:46
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Quoting: Ryminister_27
If Leafs don't make second round again like the thread poster said, they make this deal in the off season. Then it's 3 years of Marner for 1 of Parayko. No chance St. Louis says no to that with how they just saw Pietrangelo walk. But there's no chance Leafs would consider that anyways


Blues say no because they need Parayko more than Marner. Plus, GMDA doesn't like to pay more than 8 mil per player so it won't happen.
Oct 26 at 1:48
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Not saying he’s not worth pretty close to even but I should have known you overrate your players. I’d rather take a quality Defenseman who is Top 20 on a cheap contract than pay Marner one of the Top 10 most expensive contracts in the league to be boosted by his teammates (which wouldn’t be the same in St.Louis)


To be fair, I think Marner boosts his teammates more than they boost him. However, Blues say no because Parayko is a much greater need for the team than Marner.
Oct 26 at 1:50
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Quoting: West_Virginia_Take_Me_Home
Decimated? Krug, Dunn, Parayko, Faulk. We're solid and our pipeline is just as good. Losing Petro hurts but there are few teams in the nhl that have better D's


Faulk's value is inflated because he is a RHD. He's not good defensively. If i could trade Faulk yesterday for a 1st rounder I would.
Oct 26 at 3:51
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Quoting: Chopper02
To be fair, I think Marner boosts his teammates more than they boost him. However, Blues say no because Parayko is a much greater need for the team than Marner.


Wrong, when he is on a line with Matthews it’s actually the opposite of what you are referring to. Nylander actually does more production wise than Marner based on QoC and his possession and shot metrics.
 
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