Fiala drove an entire offense this season, so I have no idea what you mean when you say Fiala can't drive his line. Just makes me think neither of you have actually watched Fiala.

That means literally nothing.

Stats> any eye test

How lol

Yes.

Trying to take the subjective nature out of hockey and reduce it to stupid charts should be punishable by imprisonments.

If that’s the kind of stuff you seek, black and white, binary, simple...why not go after a sport like that. Baseball is like that. Batting average is batting average. Golf is like that. A par is a par. Hockey isn’t like that. I don’t think this is the right sport for you if this is your line of thought.

I never said Fiala couldn’t drive a line? He practically carried his line this year. I’m just saying overall Nylander has been a driving force on every line he’s been on. Only reason Fiala hasn’t been till this year is because in years past he’s been playing a sheltered role. But nowhere did I say Fiala couldn’t drive a line.

Stop watching this sport. You disgrace it.

Because it has nothing to do with hockey. It’s just for simpletons that can’t form their own opinion because they’re weak minded.

Not sure how Im the one being a disgrace here

Last time I checked, you were the Bruins fan, not me

Don’t even know why I bothered saying that. You clearly don’t watch the game.

Oh helllllllll yes to seeing all these metrics here

Analytics solidarity 🤓

I think it's been always seen that the ideal D is a Larry Robinson or Ray Bourque body type (heck even Orr was 6'0 and dabbled in pugnacity here & there) with someone having to be an absolute genius to transcend that (Niedermayer/Lidstrom) and... yeah 🙄

Spurgeon's sk8ter boi frame and passive nature gets precluded from the discussion off the start, but watching him closely and quantifying his impact...

Great googalie moogalies what an absolute wizard

Yeah, I do

Just because I use stats, doenst mean I dont watch hockey

First of all, no.

Second of all, Fiala put up 5 less points in 4 less games on a worse offense playing 3 minutes per night less. He was first on his team in scoring by a fairly significant margin. His linemates included Koivu, Parise and Staal.

Nylander was fourth on his team in scoring playing with Matthews, Tavares and Johnsson.

All context considered, Fiala had the much more impressive season, and is the better player. He has the better shot, better hands, he's faster, he's smarter. He's also not butter soft.

Right. It just means either:
A. You don’t pay attention
B. You’re too afraid to use your brain to observe and make opinions.
C. You’re profoundly mentally lazy.

Is fiala better than nylander? It’s easily arguable.

Who scored more points? Nylander. That’s the only metric most people go by I suppose.

Let’s look at their situations - nylander is on one of the most offensively gifted teams in the nhl - opposing teams need to account for him, Matthews, Marner and Tavares also. On Minnesota you have...... Fiala. Defenses can’t put all their attention on Nylander the way they can afford to with Fiala. He’s literally Minnesota’s only dynamic offensive player. If we put Fiala into Toronto and nylander in Minnesota I imagine Fiala would light it up far more than Nylander. They are - to one extent - a product of their Circumstances. Fiala 2 teams have been far more defensively driven and Nyalnders is all offense. So it makes sense Nylander would put up more points.

Accounting for that Fiala is the far superior player. He would have more success switching systems and also has a for greater impact on the team.

Okay like that's particularly problematic and silly

Every single analytical anything is sourced directly from NHL play by play data, much closer to the actual events on the ice than any eye test could ever be

No question it can't quantify certain things... but it also connects more directly to the crux of it (GF%)

This is so disrespectful and inaccurate, it's so funny that analytics made me a much more attentive viewer if anything, almost producing an obsessive state

I'd dissect nuances of a 1pm islanders Panthers matinee and try to appreciate marincin's full impact

Most analytics people track full games as well

Coming from the guy who thinks nick ritchie is a stud. If you’re calling it inaccurate, I’ll pat myself on the back.

Looks good overall would maybe reckon on another asset in lieu of retention but hey if the 575k can help tip the scales for cap strapped Toronto then okay

Noone gives a damn when Detroit stupidly buy out Abdelkader (while tanking lol!) putting like 800k or whatever on their cap when they'll actually need it

But oh right Yzerman is such a genius for inheriting a team with multiple Hall of Famers and undrafted wizards so we shouldn't question him ever, no sir 🙄

Dude, I'm a Wild fan and watch dang near every game. The Adv stats love him but he makes no difference to the Wild's points% in the standings weather he's in of out of the lineup (and he misses a lot of games). He's been the complimentary d-man on every pair he's been on in the NHL, he can't carry a weaker d-man (like a Suter, Brodin have to). He's hit the 40p mark once in his career. The PK is worse with him than without.

I'm not saying he's not a good player, he's just nowhere near a top-10 d-man in the league.

Then why does every NHL team have an analytics department?

Do you think that its a coincidence that the better teams have bigger analytics departments?
Vegas, Tampa, Colorado, Carolina and Toronto are all very heavily analytically inclined and are good teams, while Buffalo and San Jose have small analytics departments and suck

Your argument kinda falls apart when you consider that Carolina and Toronto are very much early round fodder and San Jose has a long history of making respectable playoff runs, and was only bad for this most recent season.

They use it outside of the NHL more than anything. Within the NHL its a blip on the radar.

If you’re right though you should be able to get an NHL job soon. You can read stats, and it seems like that’s all that matters to you. My question is, why do you watch? If “stats>watching,” you could probably have a field day just reading over numbers. In fact, why even care about the NHL? Imagine the simulations you could run.

Toronto and Carolina are both very young teams
Carolina made the ECF just last year
Toronto has had some bad luck, and has only had a strong analytics department since Dubas took over (Lou didnt give a crap about them)

San Jose signed 3 old, declining defensemen to long term deals like they were Makar, Hughes and Fox
They had the worst tandem in the league last year and somehow downgraded

They literally have 1 person in their analytics department and thats Doug Wilson Jr
Not to mention that prime Jumbo, Marleau, Pavelski, Vlasic and Burns were all analytical darlings