3 way blockbuster everyone wins i think

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Created by: Leafs4life34

Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs

Initial Creation Date: Oct. 27, 2020

Published: Oct. 27, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

ARI - Saves money
CAR - gets elite winger and gets starting goalie
TOR - gets better defence

ARI gets:
saves 6M in salary
gets 1st and 2nd

ARI loses:
Phil at 35% - 1.75M salary retained
Kuemper

CAR gets:
Kuemper - elite starting goalie
Marner - elite winger
Phil - at 4.4M

CAR loses:
Phil - Retains 1M
Reimer - cap dump
Pesce - top 4 defender
Necas - top 6 forward
Niederreiter - cap dump
2021 1st - pick 24 - 28
2021 2nd

TOR gets:
Phil at 3.4M
Pesce
Necas
Niederreiter - cap dump

TOR loses:
Marner - elite winger

Trades

Additional Details:

1M retained by CAR
2.4M retained by ARI

ARI

Reimer, James
2021 1st round pick (CAR)
2021 2nd round pick (CAR)

TOR

free

MIN

Holl, Justin

TOR

CAR

Kuemper, Darcy

Buyouts

Mikhail Grabovski: $0

Retained Salary Transactions

Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)

Buried

Pierre Engvall: $175,000 ($1,250,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
22	$81,500,000	$80,785,074	$0	$537,500	$714,926

Roster

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hyman, Zach $2,250,000$2,250,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 1	Matthews, Auston $11,640,250$11,640,250 C UFA - 4	Nylander, William $6,962,366$6,962,366 RW UFA - 4
Niederreiter, Nino $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Tavares, John $11,000,000$11,000,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 5	Necas, Martin $863,333$863,333 ($537,500$538K) RW RFA - 2
Mikheyev, Ilya $1,645,000$1,645,000 LW, RW UFA - 2	Kerfoot, Alexander $3,500,000$3,500,000 LW, C, RW UFA - 3	Kessel, Phil $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2
Simmonds, Wayne $1,500,000$1,500,000 RW, LW NTC UFA - 1	Thornton, Joe $700,000$700,000 C, LW NMC UFA - 1
		Spezza, Jason $700,000$700,000 C, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Rielly, Morgan $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ $5,000,000$5,000,000 LD/RD NMC UFA - 4	Andersen, Frederik $5,000,000$5,000,000 G M-NTC UFA - 1
Muzzin, Jake $5,625,000$5,625,000 LD NMC UFA - 4	Pesce, Brett $4,025,000$4,025,000 RD UFA - 4	Campbell, Jack $1,650,000$1,650,000 G UFA - 2
Lehtonen, Mikko $925,000$925,000 LD UFA - 1	Bogosian, Zach $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD NTC UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Dermott, Travis $874,125$874,125 LD/RD UFA - 1
Vesey, Jimmy $900,000$900,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Matthews, A.		Tavares, J.		Kessel, P.
	Nylander, W.		Rielly, M.

Power Play 2
Kerfoot, A.		Necas, M.		Hyman, Z.
	Niederreiter, N.		Lehtonen, M.

Penalty Kill 1
	Kerfoot, A.	Niederreiter, N.
	Muzzin, J.	Pesce, B.

Penalty Kill 2
	Necas, M.	Hyman, Z.
	Rielly, M.	Brodie, T.

Oct. 27, 2020 at 10:19 p.m.

Kotkaniemi15

Former Hockey Fan

Joined: Jun. 2017

Posts: 13,144

Likes: 10,516

How is Marner an “elite winger” but Kuemper is just a “starting goalie”?

Oct. 27, 2020 at 10:24 p.m.

KakkoForMauriceRichardAward

Brace for the Storm

Joined: May 2017

Posts: 12,840

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CAR easily declines, you severely underrate Necas right now and his potential

Oct. 27, 2020 at 10:26 p.m.

CanesTings

Joined: Aug. 2020

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No thanks, losing way too much and don’t want that Marner contract

Oct. 27, 2020 at 10:41 p.m.

PGHBOB69

Joined: Oct. 2020

Posts: 1,330

Likes: 454

Marner’a deal is gonna be hard to move without Retaining money. It’s so signing bonus heavy too. For example. You now just cap strapped Carolina. You traded them 1 Skater for 3 and they lose 1M In cap room and have to replace 2 skaters now. And Nino’s contract is up after next year. And Reimer is on an expiring contract and at a good cap number at 3M for a starting goalie.

And The leafs are already retaining salary on Kessel. I’m not sure how that would work.

Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:05 p.m.

jmac490

Joined: Jan. 2017

Posts: 7,743

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This deal is illegal anyways because the Leafs are already retaining 1.2 M on Kessel from the Pittsburgh trade where they acquired Kappy. So because they are retaining salary I don't believe that Toronto can reacquire Kessel

Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:06 p.m.

Radu47

Vegan Commie Hipster

Joined: Oct. 2020

Posts: 7,888

Likes: 3,256

Man this post is at very least an incredibly well done attempt at something very tricky and people are just being their myopic cynical brusque selves as usual

Anyone commenting should take at least a minute to appreciate how well crafted this is especially due to complexity, how thoughtful and nuanced it is

Thank you for this interesting, cogent, worthwhile AGM and apologies for the peanut gallery here that have gone stale... all cynicism and no soul

EDIT

"No hustle either, skip." that's right darryl ⚾️

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Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:08 p.m.

Radu47

Vegan Commie Hipster

Joined: Oct. 2020

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Quoting: Kotkaniemi15

How is Marner an “elite winger” but Kuemper is just a “starting goalie”?

Kuemps listed as elite later on

Maybe in the ocean of nuances here, while trying to craft something complex to a point of being overwhelming, they missed a single minor one

🙄

Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:12 p.m.

Radu47

Vegan Commie Hipster

Joined: Oct. 2020

Posts: 7,888

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Quoting: Penguins21

After a decade of struggling mightily to score they're likely okay with tradeoffs to acquire a 90 point per year winger, they can just unload Martinook types

No easier time to acquire league minimum talent

Valid to bring up but I reckon they can make it work

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Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:15 p.m.

Radu47

Vegan Commie Hipster

Joined: Oct. 2020

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Love the minor nuances of Phil returning briefly to Tornto to fight St*ve Simm*ns to the death (he'll win easily) and the Corsi master going to the Corsi gm

PS

A team acquiring a player they're still retaining on 😅

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Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:19 p.m.

#10

PGHBOB69

Joined: Oct. 2020

Posts: 1,330

Likes: 454

Quoting: Radu47

Maybe u, and most fans don’t value 3rd-4th line players as much as a goal-scorer. But I assure you NHL teams, NHL GM’s, and NHL coaches do. And Carolina has Aho, and Scechenkov. I don’t think scoring is their problem.

Especially a goal scorer making 11M/year for the next 5-6 years.

It’s why Toronto is in a bad spot. Paying 42M out of 81M on 4 players(not including a D or goalie either). Have to pay 40M to the other 16-19 players on their roster.

Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:20 p.m.

#11

Radu47

Vegan Commie Hipster

Joined: Oct. 2020

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Pardon all the comments but this is effing impressive lol it genuinely makes full sense for each team and I love what it does to Toronto's lineup especially

This should go in the AGM hall of fame 🏆

Now to make it happen irl 🤔

Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:22 p.m.

#12

JaredOfLondon

Joined: May 2019

Posts: 19,685

Likes: 7,374

Quoting: jmac490

there is no rule against re-attaining a player you are retaining salary on

Oct. 27, 2020 at 11:56 p.m.

#13

Boggsauce

Jets Fan

Joined: Nov. 2018

Posts: 952

Likes: 290

Quoting: JaredOfLondon

there is no rule against re-attaining a player you are retaining salary on

But there is a rule that only 2 teams can retain salary, not 3

Oct. 28, 2020 at 12:26 a.m.

#14

etpeck

Joined: Aug. 2020

Posts: 1,299

Likes: 399

This is not a good deal for the canes it ruins their cap structure entirely. I’d rather keep necas and pesce along with all of the other pieces. The canes depth is one of their best strengths and this deal destroys it for them

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