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2020 Tatar auction across the league draft picks only

Created by: Wreckless
Initial Creation Date: Oct 28, 2020
Published: Oct 28 at 9:12
Team: 2020-21 Montreal Canadiens
Team Explanation
What's the best offer that your team would make in terms of draft picks?
A consistent, hard working, 20-25 goal, 45-60 point player. Great teammate, fan favourite.
Keep in mind that you could always rent him for the season, and if you're not in contention you can flip him at the deadline retaining half his salary. So a contending team would only need $600k of cap space to acquire him at that point.
Or I'm sure he'd be open to an extension right now, for reasonable cap hit, to a team looking to add to their forward depth the next 3-4 years.

Kovalchuk can mentor Romanov, be the trigger man on our 2nd unit powerplay, and swap shifts occasionally with Byron on the Danault/Gallagher line.
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Kovalchuk, Ilya1$1,000,000
Trades
MTL
  1. 2021 1st round pick (NSH)
Lottery protected
NSH
  1. Tatar, Tomas
Additional Details:
extended 3x$5mm (approx.)
Buyouts
  • Karl Alzner: $3,958,333
Buried
  • Jordan Weal: $325,000 ($1,400,000)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
MTL
NSH
MTL
TBL
MTL
CHI
WSH
MTL
STL
VGK
MTL
OTT
PHI
MTL
MTL
2022
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
STL
2023
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
MTL
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$78,428,809$0$3,137,500$3,071,191

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
MTL
Drouin, Jonathan
$5,500,000
LW
UFA - 3
MTL
Suzuki, Nick
$863,333
C, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Toffoli, Tyler
$4,250,000
RW, LW
UFA - 4
MTL
Byron, Paul
$3,400,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
MTL
Danault, Phillip
$3,083,333
C
UFA - 1
MTL
Gallagher, Brendan
$3,750,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 1
MTL
Lehkonen, Artturi
$2,400,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
MTL
Kotkaniemi, Jesperi
$925,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
MTL
Anderson, Josh
$5,500,000
RW
UFA - 7
Kovalchuk, Ilya
$1,000,000
LW, RW
UFA
MTL
Evans, Jake
$750,000
C, RW
RFA - 2
MTL
Armia, Joel
$2,600,000
RW
UFA - 1
MTL
Belzile, Alex
$700,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
MTL
Chiarot, Ben
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
MTL
Weber, Shea
$7,857,143
RD
UFA - 6
MTL
Price, Carey
$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
MTL
Edmundson, Joel
$3,500,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 4
MTL
Petry, Jeff
$5,500,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
MTL
Allen, Jake
$4,350,000
G
UFA - 1
MTL
Kulak, Brett
$1,850,000
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Romanov, Alexander
$894,167
LD/RD
RFA - 2
MTL
Ouellet, Xavier
$737,500
LD
UFA - 2
MTL
Mete, Victor
$735,000
LD/RD
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Toffoli, T.
Suzuki, N.
Drouin, J.
Weber, S.
Petry, J.
Power Play 2
Anderson, J.
Kotkaniemi, J.
Gallagher, B.
Kovalchuk, I.
Romanov, A.
Penalty Kill 1
Byron, P.
Danault, P.
Chiarot, B.
Weber, S.
Penalty Kill 2
Lehkonen, A.
Evans, J.
Edmundson, J.
Petry, J.

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Oct 28 at 9:17
#1
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A second and a B prospect at most
Oct 28 at 9:22
#2
Waiting For Barzal
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To Nashville, with an extension for a lottery protected 1st

Sounds like a Clue accusation lol
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Oct 28 at 9:29
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Lenny7
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Quoting: ForsbergForVezina
To Nashville, with an extension for a lottery protected 1st

Sounds like a Clue accusation lol


Agreed. Think it's probably a mid-1st regardless of the extension, but I see no reason why Nashville couldn't work one out with him.

Now...to find a coach that won't suffocate him like they've done with RyJo, Duchene, Turris, etc...
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Oct 28 at 9:34
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I’d wait a month into the season to make the offer but I’d give a lottery protected 1st for the oilers. Would want to see if the blueline is stable and functional without klef before making a deal involving a high end draft pick.
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Oct 28 at 9:38
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Quoting: Timmah007
I’d wait a month into the season to make the offer but I’d give a lottery protected 1st for the oilers. Would want to see if the blueline is stable and functional without klef before making a deal involving a high end draft pick.


Agreed.
Oct 28 at 9:50
#6
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I think the Oilers could give up a lottery protected first. However, only if Tatar agrees to sign a 3 year 4.5 mil deal. He's the classic guy whos going to get 6 x 6 and never live up to the contract. Lucic, Neal, okposo were all had better or had equal careers as Tatar and none are living up to their over paid contracts at that age. My guess Tatar stays with Montreal until season's end. They are going to make the playoffs this year, no sense trading him. If they aren't going to make the playoffs then maybe he gets traded for a rental bit the pick will end up being a late first round, only because the team trading for him will be in the playoffs. Also any team making the playoffs trading for him will probably be at the cap, so cap will need to come out which might be hard for most teams. Might have to pay a third party team to take a contract which might not be worth it if your already trading a first for Tatar. My guess is Tatar stays with Montreal until free agency. And with the flat cap he signs a 1 x 5 show my deal. But who knows, Hoffman still hasn't signed and he's much better then Tatar. Like I did above, EDM trade a lasted first for Tatar with an extension in place 3 x 4.5. but even then money needs to leave EDM to make this trade happen.
Oct 28 at 9:54
#7
Thread Starter
Wreckless
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Quoting: JmoneyTalk
I think the Oilers could give up a lottery protected first. However, only if Tatar agrees to sign a 3 year 4.5 mil deal. He's the classic guy whos going to get 6 x 6 and never live up to the contract. Lucic, Neal, okposo were all had better or had equal careers as Tatar and none are living up to their over paid contracts at that age. My guess Tatar stays with Montreal until season's end. They are going to make the playoffs this year, no sense trading him. If they aren't going to make the playoffs then maybe he gets traded for a rental bit the pick will end up being a late first round, only because the team trading for him will be in the playoffs. Also any team making the playoffs trading for him will probably be at the cap, so cap will need to come out which might be hard for most teams. Might have to pay a third party team to take a contract which might not be worth it if your already trading a first for Tatar. My guess is Tatar stays with Montreal until free agency. And with the flat cap he signs a 1 x 5 show my deal. But who knows, Hoffman still hasn't signed and he's much better then Tatar. Like I did above, EDM trade a lasted first for Tatar with an extension in place 3 x 4.5. but even then money needs to leave EDM to make this trade happen.


I think the money you suggest is reasonable. My guess is he falls somewhere between the $4mm and $5mm range on a 3-4 year term.
Oct 28 at 9:54
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Don't forget that if you acquire him when the season is in progress the price increases up to the deadline where at that point you are going to pay a premium. In other words you may be willing to pay a lottery protected 1st right now but in a month the price will likely be an unprotected 1st and at the deadline an unprotected 1st and A+ prospect if he is on pace for a 3rd consecutive career year.
Oct 28 at 9:57
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Quoting: Lenny7
Agreed. Think it's probably a mid-1st regardless of the extension, but I see no reason why Nashville couldn't work one out with him.

Now...to find a coach that won't suffocate him like they've done with RyJo, Duchene, Turris, etc...


Very true. His offensive play driving numbers over the last two years have been exceptional, I feel like if Nashville allowed him to play his game he could be an incredible add for their offense, especially after losing guys like Smith and Bonino
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Oct 28 at 10:01
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Wreckless
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Edited Oct 28 at 10:06
Quoting: JmoneyTalk
I think the Oilers could give up a lottery protected first. However, only if Tatar agrees to sign a 3 year 4.5 mil deal. He's the classic guy whos going to get 6 x 6 and never live up to the contract. Lucic, Neal, okposo were all had better or had equal careers as Tatar and none are living up to their over paid contracts at that age. My guess Tatar stays with Montreal until season's end. They are going to make the playoffs this year, no sense trading him. If they aren't going to make the playoffs then maybe he gets traded for a rental bit the pick will end up being a late first round, only because the team trading for him will be in the playoffs. Also any team making the playoffs trading for him will probably be at the cap, so cap will need to come out which might be hard for most teams. Might have to pay a third party team to take a contract which might not be worth it if your already trading a first for Tatar. My guess is Tatar stays with Montreal until free agency. And with the flat cap he signs a 1 x 5 show my deal. But who knows, Hoffman still hasn't signed and he's much better then Tatar. Like I did above, EDM trade a lasted first for Tatar with an extension in place 3 x 4.5. but even then money needs to leave EDM to make this trade happen.


Habs likely consider this for 4 main reasons:

1) cap space. Kovalchuk could occupy more or less the same role at a fraction of the cap hit and would also be the perfect player to help integrate Romanov with life in North America.
2) cap space for the deadline. $3-4mm at the start of the season translates to $12-16mm of trade deadline cap space.
3) accumulating assets. We could flip the lottery protected 1st at the deadline for potentially a position that's a more pressing need, possibly the top defensive center/faceoff specialist who's available at the time (especially if Danault remains unsigned).
4) the team is loaded with wingers currently. As things stand now, two of Lehkonen, Byron, and Armia will be on our 4th line.
Oct 28 at 11:41
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Quoting: JmoneyTalk
I think the Oilers could give up a lottery protected first. However, only if Tatar agrees to sign a 3 year 4.5 mil deal. He's the classic guy whos going to get 6 x 6 and never live up to the contract. Lucic, Neal, okposo were all had better or had equal careers as Tatar and none are living up to their over paid contracts at that age. My guess Tatar stays with Montreal until season's end. They are going to make the playoffs this year, no sense trading him. If they aren't going to make the playoffs then maybe he gets traded for a rental bit the pick will end up being a late first round, only because the team trading for him will be in the playoffs. Also any team making the playoffs trading for him will probably be at the cap, so cap will need to come out which might be hard for most teams. Might have to pay a third party team to take a contract which might not be worth it if your already trading a first for Tatar. My guess is Tatar stays with Montreal until free agency. And with the flat cap he signs a 1 x 5 show my deal. But who knows, Hoffman still hasn't signed and he's much better then Tatar. Like I did above, EDM trade a lasted first for Tatar with an extension in place 3 x 4.5. but even then money needs to leave EDM to make this trade happen.


I’m not big into trading for players with extensions in place. Prefer to see how they fit in not only on the ice but in locker room before opening negotiations on extensions. Sometimes a guy just doesn’t fit like AA wouldn’t want to be locked into a fresh deal and find out he doesn’t mesh with the group. Worsts way this could back fire is if he lights it up then wants more money don’t sign him walks as a free agent. At least in that event he would have helped as a rental likely a deep run which devalues the pick and makes the trade a pure rental. Not such a huge problem. If have extension in place and for whatever reason doesn’t mesh with mcdavid then left with over 10 million invested into tatar and Neal fighting for 3rd line that can be much worse overall problem.
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Oct 28 at 11:45
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Quoting: Timmah007
I’m not big into trading for players with extensions in place. Prefer to see how they fit in not only on the ice but in locker room before opening negotiations on extensions. Sometimes a guy just doesn’t fit like AA wouldn’t want to be locked into a fresh deal and find out he doesn’t mesh with the group. Worsts way this could back fire is if he lights it up then wants more money don’t sign him walks as a free agent. At least in that event he would have helped as a rental likely a deep run which devalues the pick and makes the trade a pure rental. Not such a huge problem. If have extension in place and for whatever reason doesn’t mesh with mcdavid then left with over 10 million invested into tatar and Neal fighting for 3rd line that can be much worse overall problem.


totally agree. i think many undervalue the price of a trade where they say the player is "just a rental" where the reality is the GM might be pretty confident they can extend the player later IFF (if and only if) the player shows himself to be a good fit first. so way less risk. akin to dating before you get married. reminds me of the Petry trade with Edmonton. low cost for a rental, yet Bergevin always had the extension in mind if everything worked out, and now the trade looks like an absolute steal (and one where MacTavish considers the trade one of his biggest regrets).
Oct 28 at 2:16
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Quoting: Wreckless
totally agree. i think many undervalue the price of a trade where they say the player is "just a rental" where the reality is the GM might be pretty confident they can extend the player later IFF (if and only if) the player shows himself to be a good fit first. so way less risk. akin to dating before you get married. reminds me of the Petry trade with Edmonton. low cost for a rental, yet Bergevin always had the extension in mind if everything worked out, and now the trade looks like an absolute steal (and one where MacTavish considers the trade one of his biggest regrets).


What makes bad contracts bad is term more than dollars so if you acquire a player on his final year of his deal I don’t see the rush in determining the term until after he meets the team coach’s get a good feel for him and earns it. Could you imagine those terms were in place when acquiring AA we would be locked in for 2-3 years at 3+ million right now kiss goodbye to adding Barrie. Better to allow yourself the ability to walk away from a bad move sooner than be pre committed. Tatar I wouldn’t be as concerned about really do think him and mcdavid would be explosive together but why invest without seeing first is the part I get hung up on.
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