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Team: 2020-21 Tampa Bay Lightning
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 29, 2020
Published: Oct. 29, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
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3$4,000,000
2$3,500,000
2$2,250,000
1$874,125
1$735,000
1$735,000
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    2. 2021 1st round pick (TBL)
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    23$81,500,000$81,373,424$0$500,000$126,576
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    $925,000$925,000
    C, LW
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    $759,258$759,258
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    $737,500$737,500
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    UFA - 5
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    G
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    $6,750,000$6,750,000
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    UFA - 6
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    $800,000$800,000
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    $735,000$735,000
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    $700,000$700,000
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    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:12 p.m.
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    Super easy decline for the Kings.
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:14 p.m.
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    Quoting: tryger
    Super easy decline for the Kings.


    why ? you got cap space, you are getting a decent prospect and a 1st lol easy decline you want 4 first round pick Cal Foote and who else ?
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:16 p.m.
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    Matt Roy is more than throw in.
    Should be late pick or meaningless piece from LAK.

    Also - Arizona may not have space to take Killorn. But Fisher is good idea.
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    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:18 p.m.
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    why ? you got cap space, you are getting a decent prospect and a 1st lol easy decline you want 4 first round pick Cal Foote and who else ?


    The whole premise for LA taking Johnson's 4 year contract is to get a good prospect and a 1st. Which will be closer to being a 2nd rounder. Why would LA give a prospect back?
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:21 p.m.
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    Quoting: Letter_Kenny
    The whole premise for LA taking Johnson's 4 year contract is to get a good prospect and a 1st. Which will be closer to being a 2nd rounder. Why would LA give a prospect back?


    I think a 1st + Raddysh is way too much to take on Johnsson contract so I send a decent RHD back to TBL
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:22 p.m.
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    Quoting: NHLfan10506
    Matt Roy is more than throw in.
    Should be late pick or meaningless piece from LAK.

    Also - Arizona may not have space to take Killorn. But Fisher is good idea.


    Read my comment above
    I know Roy isn't a throw in
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:22 p.m.
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    why ? you got cap space, you are getting a decent prospect and a 1st lol easy decline you want 4 first round pick Cal Foote and who else ?


    Several reasons:

    1, the kings have more than enough center depth with Kopitar, Vilardi, Lizotte for this season and Byfield, Turcotte, Madden, Kupari, Anderson-Dolan, Thomas, and Andersson in waiting. They need these positions open in the coming years while the kids compete.

    2, Johnson's contract will be a liability during compete years (a few years from now)

    3, Matt Roy is probably the first big defensive success since Blake took over, he was named rookie of the year and best defenseman by the team, losing him would require more moves to fill his position.

    4, The Kings biggest strength this season is cap space over the next two seasons, they could get a first rounder for taking on a contract with shorter term and not impact their compete window.


    I think there are several teams this Johnson trade would work for, it's just not the Kings.
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    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:26 p.m.
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    I think a 1st + Raddysh is way too much to take on Johnsson contract so I send a decent RHD back to TBL


    Drop Raddysh and Roy and I think the Kings would do it. The Kings could throw in a project prospect like Luff or Brickley if Tampa wanted something back.
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    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: tryger
    Several reasons:

    1, the kings have more than enough center depth with Kopitar, Vilardi, Lizotte for this season and Byfield, Turcotte, Madden, Kupari, Anderson-Dolan, Thomas, and Andersson in waiting. They need these positions open in the coming years while the kids compete.

    2, Johnson's contract will be a liability during compete years (a few years from now)

    3, Matt Roy is probably the first big defensive success since Blake took over, he was named rookie of the year and best defenseman by the team, losing him would require more moves to fill his position.

    4, The Kings biggest strength this season is cap space over the next two seasons, they could get a first rounder for taking on a contract with shorter term and not impact their compete window.


    I think there are several teams this Johnson trade would work for, it's just not the Kings.


    Johnsson play on the wing and could be a nice addition to the top6 he's not garbage
    You have Doughty Walker for your top4 RHD but all right drop Roy are you still doing it ?
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:27 p.m.
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    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    Drop Raddysh and Roy and I think the Kings would do it. The Kings could throw in a project prospect like Luff or Brickley if Tampa wanted something back.


    Ok I'll drop both
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 10:32 p.m.
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    Quoting: GMs
    Johnsson play on the wing and could be a nice addition to the top6 he's not garbage
    You have Doughty Walker for your top4 RHD but all right drop Roy are you still doing it ?


    Oh I'm well aware he is good, he could absolutely play a top 6 role for the Kings for a season or two, but I feel like his best years would be wasted in LA and he would become more of a liability at the tail end of his contract when the Kings are ready to compete which is not worth it to a team who has done so much to shed contracts that take players into their mid-30s. Like I said seems like a good deal for other teams, I just don't see it for the Kings.
    Oct. 29, 2020 at 11:41 p.m.
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    and Johnson waives to go to the kings why? he's not gonna go from a cup winning team to a rebuilding team, doesn't really make sense
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    Oct. 29, 2020 at 11:42 p.m.
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    Quoting: tryger
    Oh I'm well aware he is good, he could absolutely play a top 6 role for the Kings for a season or two, but I feel like his best years would be wasted in LA and he would become more of a liability at the tail end of his contract when the Kings are ready to compete which is not worth it to a team who has done so much to shed contracts that take players into their mid-30s. Like I said seems like a good deal for other teams, I just don't see it for the Kings.


    I gather that the original trade had Raddysh and Roy in it, but the OP has changed it to Luff for Johnson and a first. Now I think that the pendulum has swung too far the other way. I would happily exchange Luff and some low draft pick for Johnson (with no pick).
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    Oct. 30, 2020 at 12:06 a.m.
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    Edited Oct. 30, 2020 at 2:47 a.m.
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    I gather that the original trade had Raddysh and Roy in it, but the OP has changed it to Luff for Johnson and a first. Now I think that the pendulum has swung too far the other way. I would happily exchange Luff and some low draft pick for Johnson (with no pick).


    If the Kings wanted Johnson, they could have had him for free off waivers a few weeks ago. I can't imagine they'd give up Luff and a pick for him now.

    Johnson is a cap dump. He has been in decline for a few seasons now. I think he's still a good middle-six player and would be an upgrade for LA at 3C, at least in the short term. However, if he continues to decline, his awful contract will be terrible value in just a couple years. Also, with the new rules that NTCs cannot be voided after a trade, Johnson can veto any trade if the Kings want to move him in a couple years when they need to give extensions of their own.

    With the term remaining on it, I wouldn't take Johnson's contract for anything less than a 1st round pick.
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    Oct. 30, 2020 at 12:06 a.m.
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    Quoting: PrimeDatsyuk
    and Johnson waives to go to the kings why? he's not gonna go from a cup winning team to a rebuilding team, doesn't really make sense


    He's gonna play in the AHL and I'm sure playing in LA ( in the NHL ) with a nice weather is more appealing than going in the bus
    Oct. 30, 2020 at 12:11 a.m.
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    Why would Sergachev and Cirelli take so little. If thats what they want, the contracts would be done by now.
    Oct. 30, 2020 at 4:16 a.m.
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    Edited Oct. 30, 2020 at 5:40 a.m.. Reason: corrected comment
    Quoting: tkecanuck341
    If the Kings wanted Johnson, they could have had him for free off waivers a few weeks ago. I can't imagine they'd give up Luff and a pick for him now.

    Johnson is a cap dump. He has been in decline for a few seasons now. I think he's still a good middle-six player and would be an upgrade for LA at 3C, at least in the short term. However, if he continues to decline, his awful contract will be terrible value in just a couple years. Also, with the new rules that NTCs cannot be voided after a trade, Johnson can veto any trade if the Kings want to move him in a couple years when they need to give extensions of their own.

    With the term remaining on it, I wouldn't take Johnson's contract for anything less than a 1st round pick.


    Well, given the Kings' salary structure (considering Iafallo and Kempe in particular), and the fact that we already have two aging veterans at RW, you're probably right, although I'd like to point out that after this season, there are only 10 teams that he could not be traded to. Since we need space to allow the youngsters to develop, and we're REALLY helping Tampa out here, we should be getting a premium reward for taking Johnson off their hands.
    Oct. 30, 2020 at 7:50 a.m.
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    It's gonna take way more to get rid of johnson
    Oct. 30, 2020 at 8:07 a.m.
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    Not so easy. Killorn probably has hot mess ARZ on his list, ARZ is maxed out, TJ and LAK say no thanks. It would cost a 1st, 2nd & player to shed TJ and his 4yr term, which is why it won't happen. TJ won't be riding the bus either, as that doesn't save them cap. Seems like damaged goods Stamkos will miss most of season anyway. Could get away with Stamkos ltir for half season and trading Killorn, if not either Serg/Cirelli would have to go.
    Oct. 30, 2020 at 8:21 a.m.
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    Super easy, You're at least $1 million under both Cirelli and Sergachev. Why would Killorn waive for Arizona? And why would Johnson waive for LA knowing full well that California taxes will eat him alive?
     
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