Dunn would be perfect In DET but Bertuzzi is a core player for DET.

This is a great deal for both teams. STL needs a 2LW and DET needs a 1LHD.

Except Dunn isn't a 1D...

Pass from DET. No reason to trade a core piece for a guy like Dunn - good player, but not putting this team over the top by any means.

I offered this deal a while back and got roasted by Detroit fans. I even added Sanford from St Louis and they still declined

Unless....

You have to consider their roles on their respective teams though. Bertuzzi is DET 1LW because, well, you don’t have anyone else. Dunn has had lower usage because of STL’s defensive depth. Dunn is 100% a top-4 D with top-2 potential in a couple years. Bertuzzi is not a 1LW on most other teams in this league. It’s at least good value for both teams, I think it just depends on who DET wants/needs more right now.

Vince Dunn has elite advanced statistics that beg to differ.

you have to look at how contract negotiations go next year, and if Bertuzzi does not want to sign long term, you would have to consider it. What would be fair, Dunn+pick/prospect?

Blues wouldn't accept either.

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Blues are more interested in Keeping Dunn because his solid performance makes him a 1LD. So I can agree this wouldn't go through but for opposite reasons.

I like the deal, it's fair value, but going to say keep bertuzzi

Dunn isn’t a 1LD and Bert isn’t a 1LW. I don’t know if I’d label Bert as a core piece either but more a complimentary piece. Wingers have to be special in my mind to be labeled as a core piece so I’d really only say Mantha for the time being of current roster players. I think we have a ton of promising wingers (Raymond. Zadina, Berggren) and LD (Johansson, Wallinder, McIsaac) though. The value is pretty close though.

Is any one player gonna help this team get over the top though....? They need a lot of help and I think this trade would be a step in the right direction

Neither are top line players. Like I said, Dunn is a very good DMan, but whats the incentive for DET to trade Bertuzzi?

There isn't

Ya Dunn also plays on an elite team with a fantastic defense and forward group. Those "advanced" stats mean nothing to me.

he is an RFA next year and they might not want to sign him for what he wants. It happens all the time in the NHL.

he has played with Bortuzzo most of his career on the 3rd pairing

Yzmeran just got Mantha to sign for $5.7M...I'm not too concerned.

The trade isn't outrageous, just don't see why we would give up Bert for Dunn. Keep Bert, build the core, and draft. Simple.

Dunn is a 3rd pairing player, he's never played above that level. He's one of the most overrated players on this site. He couldn't beat out Bouwmeester and Scandella for ice time and now Krug is going to steal his PP lunch money.

Defensemen of Dunn’s caliber are harder to come by than a LW of Bertuzzi’s caliber. You kinda just sound to me like you’re too enamored with your own players to give them up for fair value. This is, at worst, a decent value proposal and it should really just come down to what each team needs more.

Give Dunn 22 minutes a night on the 1st PP and I believe he will be a 15 goal, 50+ point puck-mover. Only reason he’s even being shopped is because of the Blues current surplus in Krug and Perunovich coming up.

He is good enoguh to be a 1st paring player. The Blues like to role 3 defense pairings of equal strength, and Petro/Gunnarsson or Edumdson and Parayko/Bouwmeester always had great chemistry

lol okay. Defensemen of Dunn's caliber not THAT hard to come by...sounds like you're enamored with your guy.

They are both middle tier players. Hence, why trade one of our core pieces? Doesnt seem like you can answer that.

Idk, I'd say the Wings are pretty set with young D in the pipeline, far better to keep Bertuzzi imo then add another dman.

How would you know that? Playing behind Parayko, Bouwmeester and Alex AND Edmundson is a pretty nice gig.

This is not rolling the lines:

1. Parayko: 19:11 (5v5 TOI/GP)
2. Bouwmeester: 18:18
3. Pietrangelo: 18:03
4. Faulk: 17:33
5. Scandella: 17:10
6. Dunn: 14:19

1. Bouwmeester: 38.96 (Off. Zone Faceoff %)
2. Parayko: 45.60
3. Scandella: 46.73
5. Faulk: 50.07
6. Pietrangelo: 52.84
9. Dunn: 59.47

1. Scandella: 43.4 (% TOI vs Elites)
2. Parayko: 37.7
3. Bouwmeester: 37.5
4. Pietrangelo: 32.3
6. Faulk: 29.3
7. Dunn: 17.5 - the 2nd easiest minutes among regular NHL defensemen in the league, only Brad Hunt played less vs Elites.

I mean you can just keep ignoring what I’ve said under more than one occasion that this is a fair value trade and would only happen if it fit the needs of both teams.

And I’m not enamored with Dunn, I’ve openly discussed trading him on this board many times over the past month.

It doens't fit the need of DET...case closed.