3 x $7M for JVR take more then Brink and a 4th round pick to move that contract.

Brink is a very good prospect. JVR is overpaid but not a bad player by any stretch. Still good for 45-50 pts. The 2-2.5 mill of overpayment per year is what you’re getting Brink for

Johnson or jvr not 12million of both for 3 more years

They’re good options for your 2nd line until your young players are ready and they can slide to the 3rd line. It won’t be an issue with the cap because you don’t have to re-sign Raymond or Seider for at least 4 years.

Lightning add a top major prospect. a first between 28-32 isn't enough to take 4 years of 5M+

Philly adds a gigantic piece and no 3rd going back. Jvr has a bloated Contract and we aren't taking it without a major piece

Yzerman is not helping any team out of Contract hell unless they way overpay. This isn't enough

JVR and Johnson are good players that you could use. Johnson is overpaid by 1 million and JVR by 2-2.5 mill.

Not going to happen unless those teams massively overpay. We aren't helping teams out of their cap jams during this flat cap cost cutting era. If those teams want to dump those Contracts they are going to pay massive for it or keep them.

These moves are contradictory to every single thing yzerman has said and done thus far. For us to take those Contracts the teams must pay more then they are willing to or it's not worth it at all. Tj is frans Nielsen all over again and jvr has gotten worse everyear even benched in the playoffs and a few games this season. We aren't taking 30 year olds with long term Contracts unless the compensation is out of this world no way we can pass it up good. The price is high to take them and they won't get anything back except f prospects/futures

You guys should be the ones pushing for this way more than the other teams. Brink is a prospect that will be in your top 6 in 2 years and you’re getting short term players to fill those spots.

No thanks, brink isn't good enough and don't want any of these Contracts at all. We are building through the draft and have 0 use for these Contracts. Well just stay the course we are going now and not take these Contracts.

So ultimately wings pass on both trades

That’s good choose to suck for 5 more years and also lose Amo
Mantha over finishing the rebuild in 3 years . That’s really cool . And Brink is very good almost as good as Caufield

We won't suck for 5 more years, this is a bad take. Brink won't be better then anyone in our top 6. He's a W not taking bert, mantha, zadina or raymond's spot. We will be fine with our rebuild and these other teams can figure out a different way to dump those Contracts. No reason to get mad bud, this is just not the direction we are going.

It would cost frost + 1st to take jvr, would take bouliet or foote + first to take tj. No picks or prospects going back, this is how you you put a gun to a team that needs cap space in the worst ways head. If they won't pay then they can figure out how to be cap compliant without the wings

That’s cool. Have fun signing Mantha to 8 years in 4 years at 30 years old when you didn’t make the playoffs in those 4 years

No prob pal, I'm sure we can work something out

Pretty unrealistic to think James van Riemsdyk would require Morgan Frost and a 1st round pick to move him. He may be overpaid, but he can still score 20+ goals a season and produce 40-50 points a season. Philadelphia doesn't have an imperative to move JVR for cap purposes. Teams that intentionally do not make moves that are advantageous to them not only hurt their team, but allow other teams to make moves that are advantageous for them.

No I know but id rather spend the money in other spots than say jvr. A longer solution at ld or even a forward like duclair.

Yeah I can see why u think that. But I think your prospect pool could use some work. It has the quality, just missing a bunch of quantity in case some guys don’t pan out and to fill out the roster. This is a good way to do that

JVR and TJ are still useful players, but $12M a season for multiple seasons is not good value on a rebuilding team.
Considering that the Wings would only net one good prospect and a late 1st, neither of these trades are enticing enough to eliminate cap flexibility for the next 3 years.