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Created by: Gaetsn

Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames

Initial Creation Date: Nov. 12, 2020

Published: Nov. 12, 2020

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

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I know this messes up the expansion draft as you would most likely protect debrusk, but if lucic waives his NMC then this could be the flames in 2021.

Protected
JG
SM
MT
EL
JD
MB
ML (NMC)
(AM88 if lucic waives NMC)

MG
RA
CT
(valimaki exempted)

JM (NMC)

Most likely leaves for Seattle
Bennet
Kylington
Rittich (who I think will be selected)

Thoughts?

Free Agent Signings

RFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Kylington, Oliver		2	$850,000
DeBrusk, Jake		4	$4,000,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Mantha, Ryan		1	$1,000,000

Trades

CGY

DeBrusk, Jake [RFA Rights]
2021 6th round pick (BOS)

BOS

Hanifin, Noah

Buyouts

Troy Brouwer: $1,500,000
Michael Stone: $1,166,667

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2021
2022
2023

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
23	$81,500,000	$73,264,166	$0	$457,500	$8,235,834

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Gaudreau, Johnny $6,750,000$6,750,000 LW UFA - 2	Monahan, Sean $6,375,000$6,375,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Lindholm, Elias $4,850,000$4,850,000 C, RW UFA - 4
DeBrusk, Jake $4,000,000$4,000,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Backlund, Mikael $5,350,000$5,350,000 C NTC UFA - 4	Tkachuk, Matthew $7,000,000$7,000,000 RW UFA - 2
Mangiapane, Andrew $2,425,000$2,425,000 RW, LW UFA - 2	Bennett, Sam $2,550,000$2,550,000 C UFA - 1	Dubé, Dillon $778,333$778,333 ($32,500$32K) LW, RW, C RFA - 1
Lucic, Milan $5,250,000$5,250,000 LW, RW NMC UFA - 3	Ryan, Derek $3,125,000$3,125,000 C, RW UFA - 1	Leivo, Josh $875,000$875,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Giordano, Mark $3,375,000$3,375,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 2	Andersson, Rasmus $4,550,000$4,550,000 RD UFA - 6	Markström, Jacob $6,000,000$6,000,000 G NMC UFA - 6
Välimäki, Juuso $894,166$894,166 ($425,000$425K) LD RFA - 1	Tanev, Christopher $1,125,000$1,125,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 4	Rittich, David $1,375,000$1,375,000 G UFA - 1
Kylington, Oliver $850,000$850,000 LD/RD UFA - 1	Mantha, Ryan $1,000,000$1,000,000 RD UFA

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Nesterov, Nikita $700,000$700,000 LD UFA - 1
Nordström, Joakim $700,000$700,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Simon, Dominik $700,000$700,000 RW, LW UFA - 1

Fair or not?

Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:06 p.m.

az27042007

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I'm pretty sure if flames trade Hannifin they want a cheap Rd. I think they want Brandon carlo more than Jake debrusk.
I think Hannifin and a 2nd for jake debrusk and Brandon carlo. Idk if this is fair though.

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:06 p.m.

Bcarlo25

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4 years takes debrusk right to UFA without buying out any years, so that’s not going to work. I think the Bruins accept the deal though

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:07 p.m.

Bcarlo25

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Quoting: az27042007

And the bruins would want tkachuk instead of hanifin, but lets stay on planet earth.

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.

az27042007

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

And the bruins would want tkachuk instead of hanifin, but lets stay on planet earth.

I totally agree.

Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.

imawesome

I want Gourde back

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

And the bruins would want tkachuk instead of hanifin, but lets stay on planet earth.

Says the person who's username is Brandon Carlo

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:09 p.m.

Bcarlo25

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Quoting: imawesome

Says the person who's username is Brandon Carlo

Carlo is better than hanifin. He’s cheaper than hanifin. He’s younger than hanifin. No, he and debrusk aren’t part of a package to get hanifin. That’s insanity.

Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:14 p.m.

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

Carlo is better than hanifin. He’s cheaper than hanifin. He’s younger than hanifin. No, he and debrusk aren’t part of a package to get hanifin. That’s insanity.

The only thing in this sentence that was actually correct was Carlo is cheaper than Hanifin.
Carlo is 2 months older than Hanifin and is about on par with Hanifin skill wise. Carlo is a lot better defensively but much worse offensively.

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:18 p.m.

az27042007

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Edited Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:24 p.m.

Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

The only thing in this sentence that was actually correct was Carlo is cheaper than Hanifin.
Carlo is 2 months older than Hanifin and is about on par with Hanifin skill-wise. Carlo is a lot better defensively but much worse offensively.

Carlo isn't even that much better than Hanifin defensively and Hanifin is a ofd.
Carlo is also 2 inches taller so it gives an advantage
NHL 21 rates Noah Hanifin as an 84 and Brandon Carlo as an 82

Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:34 p.m.

Ansabch12

Flames

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Quoting: az27042007

Carlo isn't even that much better than Hanifin defensively and Hanifin is a ofd.
Carlo is also 2 inches taller so it gives an advantage
NHL 21 rates Noah Hanifin as an 84 and Brandon Carlo as an 82

Ok im just gonna stop you right there, if you're using NHL21 as proof in this argument you already lost the argument.

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.

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bhavikp27

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Quoting: az27042007

Carlo isn't even that much better than Hanifin defensively and Hanifin is a ofd.
Carlo is also 2 inches taller so it gives an advantage
NHL 21 rates Noah Hanifin as an 84 and Brandon Carlo as an 82

did you just use an overall of a mediocre video game to tell us how good a national hockey league player is?

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:51 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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double post

Nov. 12, 2020 at 3:51 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: bhavikp27

did you just use an overall of a mediocre video game to tell us how good a national hockey league player is?

Ok I am aware that he used a really bad comparison system so ill make up for it here.
Hanifin vs Carlo over this year in RAPM:

Hanifin vs Carlo over the last 3 years in RAPM:

Hanifin vs Carlo in GAR this year:

Hanifin vs Carlo in xGAR this year:

Nov. 12, 2020 at 4:29 p.m.

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Bcarlo25

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Huh. Right you are. For some reason i thought they were a draft apart.

But nah, Carlo is better at playing hockey.

Nov. 12, 2020 at 4:30 p.m.

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Bcarlo25

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Ok I am aware that he used a really bad comparison system so ill make up for it here.
Hanifin vs Carlo over this year in RAPM:

Hanifin vs Carlo over the last 3 years in RAPM:

Hanifin vs Carlo in GAR this year:

Hanifin vs Carlo in xGAR this year:

This is a waste of HTML. It’s nothing. It’s useless.

It is a crutch for the weak minded and unimaginative that are either too lazy, unsure of themselves, or cowardly to dare to have their own opinion, or a spine.

Nov. 12, 2020 at 4:30 p.m.

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Bcarlo25

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Quoting: bhavikp27

did you just use an overall of a mediocre video game to tell us how good a national hockey league player is?

I could have told you the stupid chart is coming next, but he beat me to it.

Nov. 12, 2020 at 4:44 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Edited Nov. 12, 2020 at 4:49 p.m.

Quoting: Bcarlo25

What? Did you just call me lazy for actually going and doing research? I am merely showing stats, they are by no means the final answer, but they also arent wrong. Ignoring them like you are is like believing the earth is flat because the bible says so even though science says otherwise.

What a primitive point of view

Nov. 12, 2020 at 5:06 p.m.

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Bcarlo25

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

It’s an attempt to make something subjective objective. The charts are inherently lazy or cowardly. Has to be one.

Nov. 12, 2020 at 5:13 p.m.

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BlastyRocks

Beanmachine

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Quoting: Bcarlo25

It’s an attempt to make something subjective objective. The charts are inherently lazy or cowardly. Has to be one.

Wow - just wow

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 5:33 p.m.

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bhavikp27

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Ok I am aware that he used a really bad comparison system so ill make up for it here.

Hanifin is better offensively and has the edge all-around but Carlo is a defensive dman and he's really good defensively/on the PK. This one is close imo, I'm taking Carlo because I prefer players who are better defensively. But the NHL21 argument was garbage.

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Nov. 12, 2020 at 5:42 p.m.

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Ledge_And_Dairy

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Quoting: bhavikp27

I completely agree with your analysis and have no issues eith your view point. I think it is dependent on twam needs though. With Andersson and Tanev a defensive RD is less needed for Calgary whereas with Gio's regression having the offensive upside of Hanifin to help shelter both Valimaki and Kylington is very nice

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