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Matthews for Dubois Jones and a 1st

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Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 14, 2020
Published: Nov. 14, 2020
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  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [RFA Rights]
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:01 p.m.
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You went too far the other way.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:02 p.m.
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You went too far the other way.


Yup. The other Matthew’s for Jones trade was bad, but this one may be worse
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:07 p.m.
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Yikes...
Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:11 p.m.
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Value isnt bad, but the leafs still dont do it
Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:17 p.m.
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Brutal
Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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The Leafs decline. This offer gets you Marner
Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:20 p.m.
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jones is nice, but uhh, I'm still prob keeping matthews over the two of them lol

wouldn't expect CBJ to make this trade anyway, Dubois is their guy, and Jones is really good esp for their system/team
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:23 p.m.
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honestly, if I was either teams I'd do this. Matthews gives CBJ a terrifying scoring offense alongside Bjorkstrand and Atkinson, TOR gets a young, powerful, physical two-way center which, imo, has a way higher ceiling most anticipate.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:33 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
Yup. The other Matthew’s for Jones trade was bad, but this one may be worse


Any less and the leafs say no. Possibly even decline this trade.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
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jones is nice, but uhh, I'm still prob keeping matthews over the two of them lol

wouldn't expect CBJ to make this trade anyway, Dubois is their guy, and Jones is really good esp for their system/team

Any trade for Matthews will cripple the other team. That’s why players like this are not traded.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:34 p.m.
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Value isnt bad, but the leafs still dont do it


Value is terrible for Columbus
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:37 p.m.
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Quoting: RomanovTheAnswer
honestly, if I was either teams I'd do this. Matthews gives CBJ a terrifying scoring offense alongside Bjorkstrand and Atkinson, TOR gets a young, powerful, physical two-way center which, imo, has a way higher ceiling most anticipate.


To the last point I say that Matthews and Dubois are the same age. Matthews has a higher ceiling than most people anticipate. Most people seem to think he has already.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:38 p.m.
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Quoting: TheLeafsSeason
The Leafs decline. This offer gets you Marner


What a ridiculous comment
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:40 p.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Any less and the leafs say no. Possibly even decline this trade.


Matthew’s won’t be traded anyways so this is all hypothetical. The whole purpose of this post was to illustrate “value” in a vacuum. This is clearly such a gross overpay by Columbus in terms of value.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:44 p.m.
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Quoting: mhockey91
Matthew’s won’t be traded anyways so this is all hypothetical. The whole purpose of this post was to illustrate “value” in a vacuum. This is clearly such a gross overpay by Columbus in terms of value.


Is it though? What would you have moved a 23 year old Malkin for?

Disclaimer: I am not infatuated with jones, not only is he not the best Dman in the league he is not even the best Dman on cbj.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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Quoting: Salzy
Value is terrible for Columbus


No, it isn't. If you want a guy whose gonna be in th3 convo for best player in the league for the foreseeable future you need to drastically over pay. This is not that.
2 years of seth jones? Maybe if he had term.
Oh, and just for fun, despite being the same age and draft year, Matthews has exactly as many reg season goals as PLD does points. This isnt to say PLD is bad, it is to put into perspective how crazy good matthews is.
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 2:55 p.m.
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Is it though? What would you have moved a 23 year old Malkin for?

Disclaimer: I am not infatuated with jones, not only is he not the best Dman in the league he is not even the best Dman on cbj.


Well #1, a 23 year old Malkin had accomplished MUCH more than a 23 year old Matthews. It really isn’t even close. Multiple hart nominees, a scoring title, Stanley cup, conn smyth, Calder, etc.

Jones is clear cut better than werenski. I find werenski overrated. He’s an offensive D propped up by Jones. Getting a #1C in return plus a #1D PLUS a first is a really good deal for Toronto. Sure Matthew’s is better than PLD. But is the gap Jones and a first? Absolutely not
Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:00 p.m.
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Both teams decline - super star moves like this are unlikely and if they do happen it’ll be absurd situations that we likely won’t see coming and one team will regret
Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:02 p.m.
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Everyone above is arguing about - terrible for jackets - terrible for leafs. That means values close but in the end the jackets don’t NEED to move jones or PLD so why gamble plus adding a first and for the leafs you have a super star who’s a “franchise”
Type player on a team trying to win now, no need to gamble him away and he puts up 50 goals next year and wins individual accolades
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:08 p.m.
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Everyone above is arguing about - terrible for jackets - terrible for leafs. That means values close but in the end the jackets don’t NEED to move jones or PLD so why gamble plus adding a first and for the leafs you have a super star who’s a “franchise”
Type player on a team trying to win now, no need to gamble him away and he puts up 50 goals next year and wins individual accolades


Leafs fans are saying it’s terrible for Leafs, everyone else is saying it’s gross overpay for Columbus. There’s a difference.
Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:10 p.m.
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Leafs fans are saying it’s terrible for Leafs, everyone else is saying it’s gross overpay for Columbus. There’s a difference.


That’s no giant difference from what I said lol. I think neither team should make the move
Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:15 p.m.
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Heh.
Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:17 p.m.
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That’s no giant difference from what I said lol. I think neither team should make the move


You’re saying people are arguing over which side it’s terrible for which means the value must be about right. That could be true in some cases, but it’s entirely different when one side is biased and the other side is impartial.
Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:20 p.m.
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Leafs fans are saying it’s terrible for Leafs, everyone else is saying it’s gross overpay for Columbus. There’s a difference.


Wow, other fans totally devaluing leaf players? My stars!
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Nov. 14, 2020 at 3:28 p.m.
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What a ridiculous comment


What is ridiculous are people, de-valuing Leaf players, since they are Leafs. When fans of other teams trade for star pieces from the Leafs, they offer assets that don't hold as much value as the superstar. However, when Leaf fans try to trade for an exceptionally well player, we need to offer a kings ransom. That package gets you Marner, not Matthews.
 
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