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Team: 2021-22 New York Islanders
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 15, 2020
Published: Nov. 15, 2020
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RESERVE LISTYEARSCAP HIT
3$825,000
3$825,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$6,500,000
6$4,750,000
4$4,000,000
2$800,000
2$900,000
5$5,000,000
1$1,200,000
1$1,200,000
4$8,500,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$3,000,000
1$750,000
2$3,000,000
2$800,000
3$750,000
2$750,000
2$1,000,000
Offer Sheets
Offer sheet annual average (AAV) is calculated by dividing the contract value by the lower of: 1. The contract length, or 2. Five years
PLAYERAAVCOMPENSATION
Laine, Patrik$8,500,000
2021 1st round pick
2021 2nd round pick
2021 3rd round pick
Trades
1.
NYI
    Before 20-21
    2.
    3.
    NYI
    1. 2021 2nd round pick (NYI)
    NJD
    1. 2021 2nd round pick (COL)
    4.
    VGK
    1. Leddy, Nick
    2. 2022 1st round pick (NYI)
    3. 2022 2nd round pick (COL)
    5.
    6.
    NYI
    1. 2021 1st round pick (BUF)
    7.
    NYI
    NJD
    1. Hickey, Thomas
    2. Ho-Sang, Joshua
    3. 2022 4th round pick (NYI)
    Buyouts
    DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
    2021
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    2022
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
    2023
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
    Logo of the NYI
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    Logo of the NYI
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
    23$81,500,000$81,271,688$1,365,854$1,157,500$228,312
    Left WingCentreRight Wing
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $6,500,000$6,500,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 2
    $8,500,000$8,500,000
    C, RW, LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $4,750,000$4,750,000
    RW, LW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $6,000,000$6,000,000
    C, LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RW
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $7,000,000$7,000,000
    LW
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    C
    NTC
    UFA - 5
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RW, LW, C
    UFA - 3
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $3,000,000$3,000,000
    C
    UFA - 6
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $3,500,000$3,500,000
    RW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,000,000$1,000,000
    LW
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $900,000$900,000
    LW, RW, C
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $4,000,000$4,000,000
    LD
    UFA - 8
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    RD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,000,000$5,000,000
    G
    UFA - 3
    Logo of the Vegas Golden Knights
    $5,200,000$5,200,000
    LD/RD
    UFA - 4
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $1,450,000$1,450,000
    RD
    UFA - 2
    $750,000$750,000
    G
    UFA
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $725,000$725,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $842,500$842,500 (Performance Bonus$82,500$82K)
    LD
    RFA - 2
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$537,500$538K)
    RD
    RFA - 1
    ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
    Logo of the New York Islanders
    $5,500,000$5,500,000
    LW
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2

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    Nov. 15, 2020 at 2:58 a.m.
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    Bandwagon fairweathe
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    Laine probably wants shorter term or more dough to get his rights out of wpg, jets probably match this also. Your looking for trouble making him your highest paid player, with a tight knit group, this offer sheet also kinda opens the door for the jets to offer sheet barzal
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 3:04 a.m.
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    Quoting: Birtle34
    Laine probably wants shorter term or more dough to get his rights out of wpg, jets probably match this also. Your looking for trouble making him your highest paid player, with a tight knit group, this offer sheet also kinda opens the door for the jets to offer sheet barzal


    First the jets already have 2 centers. Second barzal gets signed a year before we offer sheet laine. Maybe 4 years makes more sense for laine. They probably match but i can continue to hope.
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 3:20 a.m.
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    Hard no on the Theodore trade
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 3:21 a.m.
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    Quoting: connorcieminski
    Hard no on the Theodore trade


    From which side? Too much or not enough
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 4:00 a.m.
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    Vegas is a contender, they’re not trading a young D that finished top 6 in Norris voting this year for anything. And I’ve told you that’s not enough, nor the right pieces, for Ottawa to take on Boychuk, just because you don’t want to give up more doesn’t mean the Sens have to take it, you’ve gotta make it actually worth our while. Plus the Jets match any offer sheet because they’ll get much better value out of a trade than any picks.
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    Nov. 15, 2020 at 4:04 a.m.
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    Vegas is a contender, they’re not trading a young D that finished top 6 in Norris voting this year for anything. And I’ve told you that’s not enough, nor the right pieces, for Ottawa to take on Boychuk, just because you don’t want to give up more doesn’t mean the Sens have to take it, you’ve gotta make it actually worth our while. Plus the Jets match any offer sheet because they’ll get much better value out of a trade than any picks.


    The laine piece was more of an extra and you take back the eberle trade. Just because you dont think its enough doesnt mean that they wouldnt take it. As for theodore what i would give up to get him almost anything. BIG Theodore guy and hes on a good contract also 4x$5.2
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 4:34 a.m.
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    The laine piece was more of an extra and you take back the eberle trade. Just because you dont think its enough doesnt mean that they wouldnt take it. As for theodore what i would give up to get him almost anything. BIG Theodore guy and hes on a good contract also 4x$5.2

    Every reason you would want Theodore is exactly why Vegas is not trading him, and if we could make all our problems disappear for nothing then every team would win the cup. You’ve gotta make it realistic, and realistically Ottawa declines that offer because we have no reason to help you and the compensation isn’t helpful to us
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    Nov. 15, 2020 at 5:20 a.m.
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    Every reason you would want Theodore is exactly why Vegas is not trading him, and if we could make all our problems disappear for nothing then every team would win the cup. You’ve gotta make it realistic, and realistically Ottawa declines that offer because we have no reason to help you and the compensation isn’t helpful to us


    I’m not sure if jets match the top end of the 2 1sts 1 2nd and 1 third, believe it: 10.6 ish
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    The laine piece was more of an extra and you take back the eberle trade. Just because you dont think its enough doesnt mean that they wouldnt take it. As for theodore what i would give up to get him almost anything. BIG Theodore guy and hes on a good contract also 4x$5.2


    It would cost you Barzal and then Vegas adds a little
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:21 a.m.
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    Noone is giving up a first for Eberle. He is overpaid for what he produces in a flat cap era and he is on the wrong side of 30.
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:21 a.m.
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    It would cost you Barzal and then Vegas adds a little


    Whats a little
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:24 a.m.
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    Noone is giving up a first for Eberle. He is overpaid for what he produces in a flat cap era and he is on the wrong side of 30.


    Eberle on a different team would be a consistent 25 goal scorer who is good defensively. Not overpaid at all. As for age he turned 30 a few months ago but youre right hes getting old
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:27 a.m.
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    Whats a little


    Brendan Brinson or 2021 1st
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    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:29 a.m.
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    Eberle on a different team would be a consistent 25 goal scorer who is good defensively. Not overpaid at all. As for age he turned 30 a few months ago but youre right hes getting old


    He is past those days. He is not nearly the skater and offensive threat he was in Edmonton anymore. I realize most players will suffer in Trotz system production wise, but his drop off offensively is not just a result of that
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:30 a.m.
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    Brendan Brinson or 2021 1st


    No thanks. Didnt realize he was worth that much (obviously)
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:32 a.m.
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    He is past those days. He is not nearly the skater and offensive threat he was in Edmonton anymore. I realize most players will suffer in Trotz system production wise, but his drop off offensively is not just a result of that


    When you consider what was dealt for jg and toffoli (granted they were at the deadline) i dont think its too much to ask for at all.
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:34 a.m.
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    Every reason you would want Theodore is exactly why Vegas is not trading him, and if we could make all our problems disappear for nothing then every team would win the cup. You’ve gotta make it realistic, and realistically Ottawa declines that offer because we have no reason to help you and the compensation isn’t helpful to us


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    I’m not sure if jets match the top end of the 2 1sts 1 2nd and 1 third, believe it: 10.6 ish


    Birtle34 quoted alfie

    What am i missing????? lmao
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:48 a.m.
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    Birtle34 quoted alfie

    What am i missing????? lmao


    Rookie didn’t mean to leave you out lol
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 6:52 a.m.
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    Birtle34 quoted alfie

    What am i missing????? lmao

    He was prob referring to my previous post saying WPG matches any Laine offer sheet.

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    I’m not sure if jets match the top end of the 2 1sts 1 2nd and 1 third, believe it: 10.6 ish

    I don’t think they’d like it but I think from an asset management point of view they’d have to. A 22yo 50 goal threat is worth far too much to let walk for a couple late 1sts, even if you don’t like him for some reason. Someone also has to offer him that and not many teams have the cash to (and the ones that do are bad enough that it would be early picks and thus off the table). Maybe Buffalo?
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 7:00 a.m.
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    Quoting: Alfie11
    He was prob referring to my previous post saying WPG matches any Laine offer sheet.


    I don’t think they’d like it but I think from an asset management point of view they’d have to. A 22yo 50 goal threat is worth far too much to let walk for a couple late 1sts, even if you don’t like him for some reason. Someone also has to offer him that and not many teams have the cash to (and the ones that do are bad enough that it would be early picks and thus off the table). Maybe Buffalo?


    I just don’t see the offersheet as a valuable tool, with the cost of the caphit plus the compensation and basically overpaying on potential to steal. Leads to some nasty cap situations, if there was a gm going to offersheet at 10.5 x 5 years or less I don’t think the jets could match. Just on small market and throw all budgets out of Wack and any future builds or rebuilds. Kinda a all in moment and not sure if they got it in them.
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    Nov. 15, 2020 at 7:09 a.m.
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    Quoting: Birtle34
    I just don’t see the offersheet as a valuable tool, with the cost of the caphit plus the compensation and basically overpaying on potential to steal. Leads to some nasty cap situations, if there was a gm going to offersheet at 10.5 x 5 years or less I don’t think the jets could match. Just on small market and throw all budgets out of Wack and any future builds or rebuilds. Kinda a all in moment and not sure if they got it in them.


    Its very valuable at forcing teams to take bad deals to keep their players. Look at sebastian aho. Now its ok but at the time it was a bad deal.
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 7:16 a.m.
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    Its very valuable at forcing teams to take bad deals to keep their players. Look at sebastian aho. Now its ok but at the time it was a bad deal.

    For the bad blood and animosity created, not worth it. Montreal will probably never get a deal done with Carolina now, and possibly raised the price for upcoming contracts on Suzuki and kk, and all for a offer easily matched. It does put Carolina in interesting cap situation, but the door is closed on mtl benefiting from it.
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 7:18 a.m.
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    Quoting: Birtle34
    For the bad blood and animosity created, not worth it. Montreal will probably never get a deal done with Carolina now, and possibly raised the price for upcoming contracts on Suzuki and kk, and all for a offer easily matched. It does put Carolina in interesting cap situation, but the door is closed on mtl benefiting from it.


    True but that is also because theyre in different divisions. Also the point wasnt for mtl to benefit it was for car to lose.
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 7:39 a.m.
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    Quoting: Islesforthecup
    When you consider what was dealt for jg and toffoli (granted they were at the deadline) i dont think its too much to ask for at all.


    Bothe were 27 at the time and traded prior to the pandemic. At this point short term and expiring contracts are much more attractive to teams than contracts with term on them due to financial uncertainty moving forward. Perhaps that changes moving forward, but at this point players are not being signed to contracts with term and players that have term on their contracts are not being traded
    Nov. 15, 2020 at 7:46 a.m.
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    Quoting: dzmets
    Bothe were 27 at the time and traded prior to the pandemic. At this point short term and expiring contracts are much more attractive to teams than contracts with term on them due to financial uncertainty moving forward. Perhaps that changes moving forward, but at this point players are not being signed to contracts with term and players that have term on their contracts are not being traded


    Pietrangelo, krug, and jg signed a 6 year extension and then played only 7 games before the shutdown. You think lou didnt know what was gonna happen? Really! He didnt win gm of the year for nothing.
     
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