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Trade Marner while value is somewhat high

Created by: Sean4417
Initial Creation Date: Nov 20, 2020
Published: Nov 20, 2020 at 3:48
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Trades
TOR
  1. Boeser, Brock
  2. Schmidt, Nate
  3. 2021 2nd round pick (VAN)
VAN
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. 2021 4th round pick (TOR)
TOR
  1. Manson, Josh
  2. Gibson, John ($2,400,000 retained)
  3. Kesler, Ryan
ANA
  1. Andersen, Frederik
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. 2021 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
Buyouts
  • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
TOR
VAN
TOR
TOR
2022
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
2023
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
TOR
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,493,408$0$0$6,592
Left WingCenterRight Wing
TOR
Hyman, Zach
$2,250,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Matthews, Auston
$11,640,250
C
UFA - 4
TOR
Nylander, William
$6,962,366
RW, LW
UFA - 4
TOR
Mikheyev, Ilya
$1,645,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
TOR
Tavares, John
$11,000,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
VAN
Boeser, Brock
$5,875,000
RW
RFA - 2
TOR
Robertson, Nicholas
$821,667
LW
RFA - 4
TOR
Thornton, Joe
$700,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 1
TOR
Barabanov, Alexander
$925,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
TOR
Simmonds, Wayne
$1,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 1
TOR
Engvall, Pierre
$1,250,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
TOR
Spezza, Jason
$700,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
TOR
Vesey, Jimmy
$900,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
TOR
Rielly, Morgan
$5,000,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Brodie, TJ
$5,000,000
RD
NMC
UFA - 4
ANA
Gibson, John
$4,000,000
G
UFA - 7
TOR
Muzzin, Jake
$5,625,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 4
VAN
Schmidt, Nate
$5,950,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 5
TOR
Campbell, Jack
$1,650,000
G
UFA - 2
TOR
Lehtonen, Mikko
$925,000
LD
UFA - 1
ANA
Manson, Josh
$4,100,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 2
TOR
Dermott, Travis
$874,125
LD/RD
RFA - 1
TOR
Bogosian, Zach
$1,000,000
RD
NTC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
ANA
Kesler, Ryan
$6,875,000
C, RW
NMC
UFA - 2

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Nov 20, 2020 at 3:52
#1
Jinx lord
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No from Ani
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Nov 20, 2020 at 3:53
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OilersFanBrad
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Not a fan of either teams but wow are you over valuing Marner. His value was never high let alone this high. Maybe you're high? Turn that pick selection into a 1st rounder+2nd rounder from Toronto if you want Boesner+Schmidt. Marners salary is horrible for a guy whos never scored 50 goals and never gotten 100 points in a season. He's barely a PPG player and only the last 2 seasons. You'd have to retain 3 to 4 Million of Marners deal on top of the 1st and 2nd round picks.
Nov 20, 2020 at 3:55
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The 1 True GM
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Not a fan of either teams but wow are you over valuing Marner. His value was never high let alone this high. Maybe you're high? Turn that pick selection into a 1st rounder+2nd rounder from Toronto if you want Boesner+Schmidt. Marners salary is horrible for a guy whos never scored 50 goals and never gotten 100 points in a season. He's barely a PPG player and only the last 2 seasons. You'd have to retain 3 to 4 Million of Marners deal on top of the 1st and 2nd round picks.


You apparently know nothing about Marner.
Nov 20, 2020 at 3:55
#4
In Pridham we trust
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His real $$ keeps going down each year, so why would his value decrease?
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Nov 20, 2020 at 3:56
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Not a fan of either teams but wow are you over valuing Marner. His value was never high let alone this high. Maybe you're high? Turn that pick selection into a 1st rounder+2nd rounder from Toronto if you want Boesner+Schmidt. Marners salary is horrible for a guy whos never scored 50 goals and never gotten 100 points in a season. He's barely a PPG player and only the last 2 seasons. You'd have to retain 3 to 4 Million of Marners deal on top of the 1st and 2nd round picks.


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wouldn't expect vancouver to do this, but Marner does have the same amount of points as those 2 combined over the last 2 years

now yeah, games played and all that stuff but the same could be said for marner, he was injured off and on this year too
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Nov 20, 2020 at 3:56
#6
best poster
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Quoting: Sean4417
Somebody puts way too much time and energy into a site with fake GMs. Trying too hard to look like an expert but this much BS just looks pathetic.
Nov 20, 2020 at 4:05
#7
wpg
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Okay... U get fleeced by Vancouver but rip off Anaheim?
Nov 20, 2020 at 4:09
#8
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Not a fan of either teams but wow are you over valuing Marner. His value was never high let alone this high. Maybe you're high? Turn that pick selection into a 1st rounder+2nd rounder from Toronto if you want Boesner+Schmidt. Marners salary is horrible for a guy whos never scored 50 goals and never gotten 100 points in a season. He's barely a PPG player and only the last 2 seasons. You'd have to retain 3 to 4 Million of Marners deal on top of the 1st and 2nd round picks.


Wow! Dont get me wrong, I dont like this deal, but Marner is good...like really good
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Nov 20, 2020 at 4:14
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Edited Nov 20, 2020 at 5:45
Vancouver probably would accept that trade. Or Vancouver fans should be happy if they made that trade.

No way ANA does that deal though. They retain 2.4M for 7 years with Gibson?? That’s crazy!! And Kesler will retire in ANA or sign a 1-2 year deal with Vancouver, in 2 years when he becomes a UFA. He will be 38 when he becomes a UFA in 2 years too. Maybe one of two more years or he will retire at 38. He isn’t going on a team to Toronto for his last years!!

The two late 1st round pick are good. But that’s just what Gibson would cost. Probably F.Andersen and his expiring contract and two later 1st round picks. And no way they retain any money for 7 years!! And basically it would be Manson for Kerfoot then too. And I don’t think ANA would do that either!! A Right-Handed shooting D is way more valued than a 3C.
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Nov 20, 2020 at 4:16
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Quoting: PGHBOB69
Vancouver probably would accept that trade. Or Vancouver fans should be happy if they made that trade.

No way ANA does that deal though. They retain 2.4M for 7 years with Gibson?? That’s crazy!! And Kesler will retire in ANA or sign a 1-2 year deal with Vancouver, in 2 years when he becomes a UFA. He will be 38 when he becomes a UFA in 2 years too. Maybe one of two more years or he will retire at 38. He isn’t going on a team tyyto Toronto for his last years!!


Kesslers career is over!!! LTIR is all Kessler is now
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Nov 20, 2020 at 4:19
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I’m gonna say this in the way what all Ducks fans would think when they see this:

Go **** yourself
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Nov 20, 2020 at 4:20
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Quoting: HadesOfSoCal
I’m gonna say this in the way what all Ducks fans would think when they see this:

Go **** yourself


Times two
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Nov 20, 2020 at 4:27
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Yes, please take the Canucks' second-best Dman so we can see a right side of Myers, Holl, & Rafferty. That will definitely help the team contend Confused

This deal is an absolute fleecing for Toronto. Not value wise, but in the way that it makes the Canucks the exact same as Toronto: a trash defensive team that the offense can't compensate for.
No deal.
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Nov 20, 2020 at 4:28
#14
Best In The World
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VAN decline,
Nov 20, 2020 at 4:34
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His value isn’t high though. He’s the second highest paid winger in the league, and he’s overpaid. That isn’t high value in a flat cap crisis where money is short all around.
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Nov 20, 2020 at 5:11
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The One-Trick Pony rides again . . .
Nov 20, 2020 at 6:33
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
Not a fan of either teams but wow are you over valuing Marner. His value was never high let alone this high. Maybe you're high? Turn that pick selection into a 1st rounder+2nd rounder from Toronto if you want Boesner+Schmidt. Marners salary is horrible for a guy whos never scored 50 goals and never gotten 100 points in a season. He's barely a PPG player and only the last 2 seasons. You'd have to retain 3 to 4 Million of Marners deal on top of the 1st and 2nd round picks.


Bruh what? Barely a PPG player ??? He had 94 points 2 seasons ago and was on pace for 101 points this year. This is why no one take Oilers fans seriously man
Nov 20, 2020 at 6:34
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Quoting: Oodz
Bruh what? Barely a PPG player ??? He had 94 points 2 seasons ago and was on pace for 101 points this year. This is why no one take Oilers fans seriously man

Quoting: Oodz
Bruh what? Barely a PPG player ??? He had 94 points 2 seasons ago and was on pace for 101 points this year. This is why no one take Oilers fans seriously man

On pace for 94 points this year not 101^
Nov 23, 2020 at 8:52
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OilersFanBrad
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Quoting: Oodz
Bruh what? Barely a PPG player ??? He had 94 points 2 seasons ago and was on pace for 101 points this year. This is why no one take Oilers fans seriously man


yes 94 points in 82 games, so he was 12 points more than games. I consider that barely. Break 100 points in a season then come back to me...We have two forwards who have broken 100 points(Leon 2 times, Connor 3 times), Draisaitl scored 50 goals in 18-19, and mcdavid scored 41 in 17-18 and 18-19, BOTH are career PPG players not just a couple seasons. Both have won the HART, ART ROSS, and TED LINDSAY. McDavid multiple times. So yes going positive 10 points in 1 season is BARELY a PPG season especially when you're below a career PPG and have only been a positive PPG player 2/4 seasons...
Nov 23, 2020 at 11:23
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Quoting: YEGBRAD
yes 94 points in 82 games, so he was 12 points more than games. I consider that barely. Break 100 points in a season then come back to me...We have two forwards who have broken 100 points(Leon 2 times, Connor 3 times), Draisaitl scored 50 goals in 18-19, and mcdavid scored 41 in 17-18 and 18-19, BOTH are career PPG players not just a couple seasons. Both have won the HART, ART ROSS, and TED LINDSAY. McDavid multiple times. So yes going positive 10 points in 1 season is BARELY a PPG season especially when you're below a career PPG and have only been a positive PPG player 2/4 seasons...


So basically what ur telling me is that u have two MVP caliber players and have failed to make the playoffs for the last 3 years LMAOO. And somehow u think that by adding Turris Barrie and Kahun ur gonna be the best Canadian team ?? That’s just hilarious. U have no defence, unreliable goaltending, and a literal average offence behind those 2 players. Like honestly, imagine having a MVp Type season from TWO players and failing to make the playoffs. Ur stars are gonna be angry soon and ask for trades lmao, no one wants to ruin this career on that trash team
Nov 23, 2020 at 11:40
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Nov 23, 2020 at 11:41
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OilersFanBrad
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Quoting: YEGBRAD

Typical Toronto fan, way to write an entire paragraph arguing with me but not providing a single actual fact back other then make fun of the other franchise LOL.

If you don't think Holland added real depth to the Oilers this off season already then you either don't know anything about hockey or you are just blinded for your hate for the Oilers. The Oilers are absolutely up with Calgary and Vancouver for best in Canada, I don't mention Toronto because you're on par with the Oilers pre off season and haven't really done anything other than add TJ Brodie and Bogosian, oh and Simmonds, none of which will actually help you, maybe Brodie can make up a bit of D for you guys. So a Toronto fan making fun of an Oilers fan is the funniest thing. I least I have stats to back me up...

Oilers were embarassed in the play in round for playoffs, nobody is denying that but Koskinen and Smith were solid throughout last regular season and got us to 2nd in the pacific, 4 points ahead of Calgary, and got us to 5th in the west(4th in points, 3 ahead of Dallas). So to say that we have unreliable goaltending is biased hate. Adding Barrie, Kahun, Turris, Ennis again, potentially Puljujarvi who I still believe in, and having Bear and Jones better and Bouchard and Laggesson more NHL ready. The Oilers for sure have the depth we lacked last season...
Nov 23, 2020 at 1:02
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Quoting: YEGBRAD


Ask any non bias fan and they will tell u that EDM is no where near close to the best Canadian team lmaoo. I hate to break it to you, but Kahun Ennis Turris and Barrie are not a difference maker. Ennis couldn’t even maintain a spot in the lineup when he was with the leafs, Turris was scratched multiple times by Nashville, and with Barrie I don’t even have to explain it. If ur idea of adding depth is acquiring players who were healthy scratches on other teams, idk what to say to you lmao. The leafs are LITERALLY better than the oilers at every position. I still can’t get over the fact that u have had TWO players who had MVP caliber seasons last year and didn’t make the playoffs. Adding Turris Kahun Barrie will not push you over the top😂. Last year the oilers and leafs basically finished with the same
Records but the leafs missed muzzin for 2 months, rielly for 2 months, JT and marner for 6 weeks, and played in a MUCH harder division. It’s clear that the leafs are the better team here, it’s just ur bias that isn’t allowing u too see that.
Nov 23, 2020 at 1:06
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Quoting: YEGBRAD


And I certainly don’t hate the oilers, it’s always good to see a Canadian team do good, and every hockey fan wants to see McDavid in the playoffs. But it’s just ur bias that isn’t allowing u to see that they’re nothing but an average team.
 
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