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McDonagh instead of Sergachev

Created by: truculence67
Team: 2020-21 Boston Bruins
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 24, 2020
Published: Nov. 24, 2020
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(1) Don't have to trade a 1st
(2) Can expose McDonagh and protect Carlo/McAvoy/Gryzelcyk
(3) Window is closing with or without sergachev.
Trades
BOS
  1. McDonagh, Ryan ($1,500,000 retained)
  2. 2021 7th round pick (NJD)
TBL
  1. Zboril, Jakub
  2. 2021 2nd round pick (BOS)
Retained Salary Transactions
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2021
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$81,500,000$81,142,314$964,222$2,000,000$357,686
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,125,000$6,125,000
LW
NMC
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$6,875,000$6,875,000
C
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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$6,666,667$6,666,667
RW
UFA - 3
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$3,675,000$3,675,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$7,250,000$7,250,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$2,600,000$2,600,000
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UFA - 1
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$1,600,000$1,600,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C, RW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
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$3,100,000$3,100,000
RW
UFA - 3
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$1,275,000$1,275,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,350,000$1,350,000
RW, C
UFA - 3
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$850,000$850,000
LW, C
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
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NTC
UFA - 6
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$4,900,000$4,900,000
RD
UFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$3,687,500$3,687,500
LD
UFA - 4
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$2,850,000$2,850,000
RD
UFA - 1
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$2,250,000$2,250,000 (Performance Bonus$1,250,000$1M)
G
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
RD
UFA - 3
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$700,000$700,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
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Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:01 a.m.
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Quoting: Rangsey
Let's be real. They're already in this position. Teams know that they need to move 7 or 8 million whether they wait to sign the RFAs or not.

Which is why i think if they have the choice between retaining 1.5 on McDonagh, or losing sergachev, they’ll eat the money.
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Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:02 a.m.
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What's the logic behind moving Point to keep Cirelli or Sergachev? Edmonton can't sign Bear, better trade McDavid.


If you think i was suggesting moving point, i think you should go back and read through the conversation.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:04 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Killorn is a pretty solid player, but at 31, I’m not sure how eager teams will be. Gourde will be the same thing as Sergachev. Teams will be happy to take him if theres retention.


Do think some teams will be willing to move simple picks for these kind of players.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:07 a.m.
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as much as i would love this, tampa wouldn't accept this. mcdonagh is still a really good defenseman, boston would have to give up more. i love the thought tho!


how does tampa get under the cap?

they have to move alot of salary

if they can lose mcdonagh and that contract over sergachev/cirelli, they should do this all day.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:09 a.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Do think some teams will be willing to move simple picks for these kind of players.


If there’s retention.
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Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:10 a.m.
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Boston is one of the few teams in the NHL that is not experiencing a cap crunch. Lots of great value contracts in place. Adding McDonagh ruins that. Either go after Sergachev or nothing. Taking RM even with RS on it helps a division rival who has beaten us the last two playoff series. I’d try to pry Sergachev out or forget it. Sweeney would have to move out Moore to make this happen.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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I think the Bruins would rather Sergachev than McDonagh number 1 and number 2 Tampa would never accept this trade nor would the bruins be able to take McDonagh's cap.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:13 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
If there’s retention.


Or a contract coming back. Like this: https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/396862
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:21 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
If there’s retention.


https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/2115112 for the sake of this scenario I made my own
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:41 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I had a similar team. The thought process being, “trade us McDonagh, or an offer sheet is coming tomorrow.”

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/382919


I think McDonaugh could be had much cheaper even with 1.5m retrained. Maybe a 5th-7th just do to his contract. Would fit Boston’s time line to compete and rebuild in the last 2 years of his contract. Really good fit actually. Would be a great partner for Mcavoy or Carlo.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:44 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
I think McDonaugh could be had much cheaper even with 1.5m retrained. Maybe a 5th-7th just do to his contract. Would fit Boston’s time line to compete and rebuild in the last 2 years of his contract. Really good fit actually. Would be a great partner for Mcavoy or Carlo.


I think to get the bolts to retain like 7 million costs more. I think a 2nd and an okay prospect is fair.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:52 a.m.
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Quoting: justaBoss
Becaue no one does it ever. They'd pay a total sum of $7,5M for nothing.


except TOR which answers the why not part.

I totally agree, TB isn't retaining.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:55 a.m.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I think to get the bolts to retain like 7 million costs more. I think a 2nd and an okay prospect is fair.


6 more years on Mcdonaghs contract. In an off season like this where you saw what Schmidt got for a return. Would completely depend how desperate Tampa is. They could always move sergachev for a better return. It’s seems to me both teams are helping each other. Taking over 30m of cap hit would be very helpful for Tampa and would cost them in any other circumstance.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
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except TOR which answers the why not part.

I totally agree, TB isn't retaining.


Then they lose Rfa’s or give up their futures.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:57 a.m.
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6 more years on Mcdonaghs contract. In an off season like this where you saw what Schmidt got for a return. Would completely depend how desperate Tampa is. They could always move sergachev for a better return. It’s seems to me both teams are helping each other. Taking over 30m of cap hit would be very helpful for Tampa and would cost them in any other circumstance.


I’m not saying they have to turn over the franchise, but a 2nd and a project prospect is reasonable
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:58 a.m.
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Here is the interesting thing, how long is Brad and Pasta out?
You start adding up that cap space and can they squeeze him in, and next year shouldn't be an issue.
Lets forget the return being anything substantial and there is no retention.

But I think the real issue here is does TB want to do that. If there was going to be an OS it would have happened by now. It's clear, there will be no OS.
TB could have a stacked LD again this year no problem, push the cap till next year, let Seattle take McD and then move Palat or Killorn and the cap issues are solved.
It will be easier to move players next year. The cap will still be flat but there will be fans in the seats and revenue return to normal.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 11:59 a.m.
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Quoting: Jamiepo
Then they lose Rfa’s or give up their futures.


neither is true and just shows immaturity.
if any team was going to OS it would have happened by now, You are like 3 weeks from training camps. No one is offer sheeting.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 12:04 p.m.
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neither is true and just shows immaturity.
if any team was going to OS it would have happened by now, You are like 3 weeks from training camps. No one is offer sheeting.


Nothing immature. Just simple math. They can not afford their rfa’s. Whether or not there is any offersheets doesn’t change that fact.

If they want to move good players they will get small returns. If they want to move bad contracts they will get gouged.

The rfa’s won’t get offersheets. They will either be traded or sat if they refuse to move money elsewhere.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 12:17 p.m.
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Nothing immature. Just simple math. They can not afford their rfa’s. Whether or not there is any offersheets doesn’t change that fact.

If they want to move good players they will get small returns. If they want to move bad contracts they will get gouged.

The rfa’s won’t get offersheets. They will either be traded or sat if they refuse to move money elsewhere.


this right here...

Quoting: Jamiepo
Then they lose Rfa’s or give up their futures.



Is some sort of really immature argument.
Neither of which is true by the way. They don't need to do anything. No OS is probably coming, the players are going to sign a QO because they can't get arbitration unless they do, they aren't sitting.
Most likely they sign a low deal, then teams work out extensions with them.

Those guys most likely aren't getting traded. They open up a ton of cap next year. Especially if McD is sent to Seattle, That contract moved plus Coburn ending pays for Serg and Cernak along with parts of Cirelli. They have 1 contract to move and they can afford all 3. You look at a guy like Palat, He'll have 1 year left on his deal, fans back in the seats, that's an easy move and opens the space they need.
So stop with the nonsense.
They can easily afford all 3 at QO, offer then extensions in season and be done with it.
They probably have no interest in moving McD yet because they are most likely thinking 2nd cup run.

If they are going to "pay" to move guys, they will pay, next year after chasing a cup. Not this year.
Nov. 24, 2020 at 12:22 p.m.
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this right here...


Is some sort of really immature argument.
Neither of which is true by the way. They don't need to do anything. No OS is probably coming, the players are going to sign a QO because they can't get arbitration unless they do, they aren't sitting.
Most likely they sign a low deal, then teams work out extensions with them.

Those guys most likely aren't getting traded. They open up a ton of cap next year. Especially if McD is sent to Seattle, That contract moved plus Coburn ending pays for Serg and Cernak along with parts of Cirelli. They have 1 contract to move and they can afford all 3. You look at a guy like Palat, He'll have 1 year left on his deal, fans back in the seats, that's an easy move and opens the space they need.
So stop with the nonsense.
They can easily afford all 3 at QO, offer then extensions in season and be done with it.
They probably have no interest in moving McD yet because they are most likely thinking 2nd cup run.

If they are going to "pay" to move guys, they will pay, next year after chasing a cup. Not this year.


You seem to be quite poor at English and math. Also their QO’s have expired.
Nov. 25, 2020 at 3:25 p.m.
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this right here...


So much for that theory...

Is some sort of really immature argument.
Neither of which is true by the way. They don't need to do anything. No OS is probably coming, the players are going to sign a QO because they can't get arbitration unless they do, they aren't sitting.
Most likely they sign a low deal, then teams work out extensions with them.

Those guys most likely aren't getting traded. They open up a ton of cap next year. Especially if McD is sent to Seattle, That contract moved plus Coburn ending pays for Serg and Cernak along with parts of Cirelli. They have 1 contract to move and they can afford all 3. You look at a guy like Palat, He'll have 1 year left on his deal, fans back in the seats, that's an easy move and opens the space they need.
So stop with the nonsense.
They can easily afford all 3 at QO, offer then extensions in season and be done with it.
They probably have no interest in moving McD yet because they are most likely thinking 2nd cup run.

If they are going to "pay" to move guys, they will pay, next year after chasing a cup. Not this year.
 
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