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Next year IF a few things pan out

Created by: Pens3lieve
Initial Creation Date: Nov 17, 2020
Published: Nov 24, 2020 at 9:30
Team: 2021-22 Pittsburgh Penguins
Team Explanation
A few BIG Ifs.

(qualifiers for the below roster moves)

IF--The D solidifies.
If matheson turns out to be a viable 2nd pairing option who stabilizes with marino, then either Pettersson or dumoulin are expendable. Pettersson has more value for sure as Dumoulin isn't young anymore but I would guess dumoulin would be more likely to be traded. If POJ is ready to fill the #3LHD spot that makes a Dumoulin/Pettersson trade easier. Hopefully Marino will be reasonable with contract demands. the market if a bit down so $4M x 5 or 6 seems close to fair. a veteran RHD like Demers could be signed to stabilize the young and reckless POJ. ruhwedel/Riikola/maniscalso/Lee provide depth.

IF--The 3rd line once again is garbage. then another reconstruction would be needed. I signed Jankowski if he's half decent for a 13th forward/centre depth that will probably play at least 60 games bc of injuries. McCann shifts back to C for this example because of an overload of wings and Poulin hopefully making the team would provide the ability to flip other wingers around.

IF--Both of the above combined happen in some form..... Pettersson should fetch either a 2nd line winger or a #3C... I've seen ACGMs from BOS/NYR interested in Pettersson...

IF--Jarry stabilizes as a #1, and DeSmith doesn't get shelled then no other goalie is needed.

NO more IFs--maybe...


Lines....notes.
-if Poulin comes up I'd like to give him a top-6 shot and not see him "flounder" on the 4th line aka sprong but nothing like him as a player...
-pls stop putting tanev on the 3rd line. I like the buzzsaw. period. leave it alone.
-IDK about Buchnevich but he might be a good fit somewhere in the top-9. anyone know what type of player he is?
-Centre depth is preserved. Sid/Geno/McCann/Blueger/Jankowski/Martinook
-the lines have tons of versatility with or without injuries.
-puck moving D in abundance (Letang/marino/matheson/POJ)
-lots of PK options I wonder if even 3 PK units could be used (or just swap out forwards) because there aren't alot of defensive D but there are lots of better defensive F options. is it a horrible idea to put 3F+1D on a PK bc the Pens don't want Letang/matheson/POJ tuning the puck over while shorthanded??? PIT has been pretty good about not taking PIM recently...
-PK forwards options include (ZAR/Blueger/Tanev/McCann/Rust/Poulin/Zucker/Kapanen/Buchnevich and even Sid and Jake at the end of a PK just for kicks...
-If Rust gets PP1 time + some PK time he could be the next third line RW sniper who drives play. it's an idea although I do want to see 59-71-17 again...

Most likely lines I think:
59-87-24
16-71-17
Poulin-19-Buchnevich
12 (ZAR new #)-53-13

but just look at the flexibility. Guentzel can play with either HOF centre. Kapanen/Rust/Zucker/Buchnevich/Poulin can move up and down and some of them can even play their off wing...
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
Åberg, Pontus1$750,000
Björkqvist, Kasper1$750,000
Larmi, Emil2$750,000
Lindgren, Jesper2$750,000
Miletic, Sam2$750,000
Zohorna, Radim2$750,000
Blueger, Teddy3$2,000,000
Buchnevich, Pavel4$3,250,000
Jankowski, Mark2$750,000
Marino, John5$4,000,000
Aston-Reese, Zach3$1,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Demers, Jason1$2,000,000
Martinook, Jordan1$900,000
Trades
PIT
  1. Buchnevich, Pavel [RFA Rights]
  2. 2023 4th round pick (NYR)
NYR
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
Additional Details:
a top-4 D for a 2nd line Wing. is this close to fair?
Buyouts
  • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
WSH
ANA
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2023
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
NYR
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$81,389,167$0$212,500$110,833

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Poulin, Samuel
$894,167
LW, RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 4
PIT
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 1
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 3
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 1
Buchnevich, Pavel
$3,250,000
RW, LW
RFA
PIT
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
McCann, Jared
$2,940,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$2,000,000
C, LW
RFA
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 4
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 1
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 2
PIT
Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
Marino, John
$4,000,000
RD
UFA - 6
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 1
PIT
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
$863,333
LD
RFA - 1
Demers, Jason
$2,000,000
RD
UFA
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Martinook, Jordan
$900,000
C, LW, RW
UFA
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
PIT
Ruhwedel, Chad
$750,000
RD
UFA - 1
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 1
PIT
Jankowski, Mark
$750,000
LW, C
RFA
PIT
O'Connor, Drew
$925,000
LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Légaré, Nathan
$795,000
RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Maniscalco, Joshua
$853,333
RD
RFA - 2
PIT
Lee, Cameron
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Rust, B.
Crosby, S.
Guentzel, J.
Letang, K.
Malkin, E.
Power Play 2
Kapanen, K.
Zucker, J.
Buchnevich, P.
Matheson, M.
Poulin, S.
Penalty Kill 1
Blueger, T.
Tanev, B.
Dumoulin, B.
Marino, J.
Penalty Kill 2
McCann, J.
Aston-Reese, Z.
Joseph, P.
Demers, J.

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Nov 24, 2020 at 9:30
#1
Pens3lieve
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Nov 24, 2020 at 9:32
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mhockey91
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Trade looks fair! Especially since NYR have an abundance of left shot forwards but their best LHD atm is probably Ryan Lindgren.
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Nov 24, 2020 at 9:33
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Zuki9797
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Think ZAR is wearing 18
nevermind
Nov 24, 2020 at 9:35
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Quoting: mhockey91
Trade looks fair! Especially since NYR have an abundance of left shot forwards but their best LHD atm is probably Ryan Lindgren.


exactly my thoughts....IF matheson finds his game and POJ is ready, then someone will have to go...NYR has a ton of wingers and RHD....
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Nov 24, 2020 at 9:36
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Quoting: MaxDomi13
Think ZAR is wearing 18
nevermind


it was 46 last year and I saw he switched to 12 this year after Simon left. Galchenyuk (ugh I don't wanna mention his name) was 18 last year...
Nov 24, 2020 at 9:37
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mhockey91
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
exactly my thoughts....IF matheson finds his game and POJ is ready, then someone will have to go...NYR has a ton of wingers and RHD....


I agree. If Matheson is better than people expect, pens could potentially move Pettersson. Definitely possible. A top 6 wing for him is a fair return assuming Buch is still around 50-60 points and doesn’t break out
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Nov 24, 2020 at 9:37
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
it was 46 last year and I saw he switched to 12 this year after Simon left. Galchenyuk (ugh I don't wanna mention his name) was 18 last year...


yeah I thought simon was 18, i was reading on twitter and saw a bunch of new numbers like Holtby as 49 (ew what why)
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Nov 24, 2020 at 9:50
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Rangers pass. Pettersson will block Lundkvist, Jones, Robertson, Schneider ++ if the deal is next year. Also, trying to get more for Buch.
Nov 24, 2020 at 9:50
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Sagecoll
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Pretty quick Rangers decline.
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Nov 24, 2020 at 11:52
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Islesforthecup
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No from ny
Nov 25, 2020 at 4:00
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I think I'd keep pettersson I really like his game.
Nov 25, 2020 at 8:44
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Rangers pass. Pettersson will block Lundkvist, Jones, Robertson, Schneider ++ if the deal is next year. Also, trying to get more for Buch.


so in your option, NYR has 4 LHD that for sure will make it??
Nov 25, 2020 at 8:45
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
so in your option, NYR has 4 LHD that for sure will make it??


They have plenty of defenseman is my point. They will have more than 4. That's why they haven't improved the obvious snake-bitten LHD.
Nov 25, 2020 at 11:45
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I really think you are gonna whole new McCann at wing this year. The Pens really believe he is a winger and not a center. A scorer and not so much of a playmaker. They are keeping him on wing this year and if/when he scores 20 plus goalies. He will stay there and can a replacement for Zucker too, in the top 6, if he doesn’t work out.
Nov 25, 2020 at 1:03
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Quoting: PGHBOB69
I really think you are gonna whole new McCann at wing this year. The Pens really believe he is a winger and not a center. A scorer and not so much of a playmaker. They are keeping him on wing this year and if/when he scores 20 plus goalies. He will stay there and can a replacement for Zucker too, in the top 6, if he doesn’t work out.


I like him alot better as a sniping winger as well...just for this post I threw him at #3C... bc I got another winger...
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Nov 25, 2020 at 2:02
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
I like him alot better as a sniping winger as well...just for this post I threw him at #3C... bc I got another winger...


Ya, I understand. And yes, he can definitely snipe. A great shot, and can score. An average playmaker too. But better off on the wing I think too. I agree with JR and Sully.
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Nov 25, 2020 at 5:40
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I say trade Petterrson. Have been all summer.

BUT not for Buchenvich. Trade him to a team and get back prospects/assets. Use cap space to sign a 3C (Granlund, Haula, etc) and a cheap D (Ideally Chara)
Nov 25, 2020 at 5:56
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Quoting: Eddy
I say trade Petterrson. Have been all summer.

BUT not for Buchenvich. Trade him to a team and get back prospects/assets. Use cap space to sign a 3C (Granlund, Haula, etc) and a cheap D (Ideally Chara)


hmm nice thought but why not trade him for a good #C then??? surely you can get someone better than grandlund/haula...
Nov 26, 2020 at 11:20
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Adamitis
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I don’t think ZAR is taking the same AVV. Also expansion draft....
Nov 27, 2020 at 12:56
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Quoting: Pens3lieve
hmm nice thought but why not trade him for a good #C then??? surely you can get someone better than grandlund/haula...


Sure, if you can get someone significantly better than Granlund or Haula then go ahead. Buchnevich isn`t that guy though. I would rather trade Pettersson and get a prospect/pick back and use cap space to sign. Kill two birds with one stone.
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