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Lets set off a fire

Created by: EsoYeezus69
Initial Creation Date: Nov 25, 2020
Published: Nov 25, 2020 at 2:39
Team: 2020-21 Toronto Maple Leafs
Team Explanation
No I am not a leafs fan
Trades
TOR
  1. McDavid, Connor
EDM
    For what
    Buyouts
    • Mikhail Grabovski: $0
    Retained Salary Transactions
    • Phil Kessel: $1,200,000 (15%)
    Buried
    • Pierre Engvall: $175,000 ($1,250,000)
    DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
    2021
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2022
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    2023
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    TOR
    ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
    24$81,500,000$95,065,575$0$0-$13,565,575
    Left WingCenterRight Wing
    TOR
    Hyman, Zach
    $2,250,000
    LW, RW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    EDM
    McDavid, Connor
    $12,500,000
    C
    UFA - 6
    TOR
    Marner, Mitchell
    $10,903,000
    RW
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Mikheyev, Ilya
    $1,645,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Matthews, Auston
    $11,640,250
    C
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    $6,962,366
    RW, LW
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Kerfoot, Alexander
    $3,500,000
    C, LW
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Tavares, John
    $11,000,000
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    TOR
    Simmonds, Wayne
    $1,500,000
    RW, LW
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Robertson, Nicholas
    $821,667
    LW
    RFA - 3
    TOR
    Thornton, Joe
    $700,000
    C, LW
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Spezza, Jason
    $700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Vesey, Jimmy
    $900,000
    LW, RW
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Boyd, Travis
    $700,000
    C, RW
    UFA - 1
    Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
    TOR
    Muzzin, Jake
    $5,625,000
    LD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Brodie, TJ
    $5,000,000
    RD
    NMC
    UFA - 4
    TOR
    Andersen, Frederik
    $5,000,000
    G
    NTC
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Rielly, Morgan
    $5,000,000
    LD
    NTC
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Holl, Justin
    $2,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 3
    TOR
    Campbell, Jack
    $1,650,000
    G
    UFA - 2
    TOR
    Lehtonen, Mikko
    $925,000
    LD
    UFA - 1
    TOR
    Sandin, Rasmus
    $894,167
    LD
    RFA - 2
    TOR
    Dermott, Travis
    $874,125
    LD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Bogosian, Zach
    $1,000,000
    RD
    NTC
    UFA - 1

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    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:41
    #1
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    Marner, a 1st and a 2nd.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:41
    #2
    nick foligno enjoyer
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    at what point is a centre core TOO good, to the point where it would hurt the rest of the team

    like how the hell would you even balance that ice time

    Quoting: Byrr
    Marner, a 1st and a 2nd.


    also uh... no. EDM would literally want Matthews, Marner, a first, rielly etc. etc.

    mcdavid is the best player in the world and he's not even in his prime yet. It's scary to think what his career is gonna look like
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:43
    #3
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    Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
    at what point is a centre core TOO good, to the point where it would hurt the rest of the team

    like how the hell would you even balance that ice time



    also uh... no. EDM would literally want Matthews, Marner, a first, rielly etc. etc.

    mcdavid is the best player in the world and he's not even in his prime yet. It's scary to think what his career is gonna look like


    By moving one to the wing.

    The reality is that McDavid doesn't have that kind of value. Hes good for 20-30 more points a season than Marner. The fact hes a center is valueless to the Leafs and hes worse in the defensive zone. The value added is worth about a 1st, a 2nd and the extra cap space.

    Stuff like 'best player in the world' is nice and all but they are just bells and whistles. They don't actually hold value.
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:45
    #4
    Joined: Jul 2017
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    Who cares? No need to give assets for a player that will just sign to come home as a UFA.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:47
    #5
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    Can’t make a trade that’s both worth it and within cap restrictions.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:48
    #6
    NowAvoidingWork
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    I'm getting the absolute biggest bang for my buck possible: Marner, Nylander, Andersen, Robertson, Sandin or Liligren, a 1st and a 2nd, with Neal, Russell & Koskinen going the other way with 0 retention. It's McDavid we're talking about here so basically, I get what I want or I hold on to the best player in the NHL until he retires with my club.
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:49
    #7
    Jeuck75
    Joined: Jul 2019
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    McDavid is untradeable!!!
    You'd have to give up so much you'd hardly have a team left over, lol.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:50
    #8
    Pass it to Lucic
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    its starts with Mathews and moves from there.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:53
    #9
    NowAvoidingWork
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    Quoting: Byrr
    Stuff like 'best player in the world' is nice and all but they are just bells and whistles. They don't actually hold value.


    Stuff like that is why a GM is not motivated to move this kind of player. You're gonna ask for McDavid and then get choosey? "He's good but it doesn't mean anything" Holland and the boys are having a laugh bud,
    Nov 25, 2020 at 2:55
    #10
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    Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
    Stuff like that is why a GM is not motivated to move this kind of player. You're gonna ask for McDavid and then get choosey? "He's good but it doesn't mean anything" Holland and the boys are having a laugh bud,


    Well the AGM assumes they are trying to move him. For that assumption to be true, something will have had to gone off the rails and McDavid have asked to be moved. Holland and the boys probably don't have the option to keep him. Like you said, you don't trade a player like McDavid normally.

    Also important to consider that even if the Oilers are trading McDavid, McDavid is going to have a lot of influence on where he goes. The Oilers won't just have the option to move him anywhere.
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:00
    #11
    NowAvoidingWork
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    Quoting: Byrr
    Well the AGM assumes they are trying to move him. For that assumption to be true, something will have had to gone off the rails and McDavid have asked to be moved. Holland and the boys probably don't have the option to keep him.


    @EsoYeezus69 Is this the premise? I've read nothing here that makes this assumption (unless I'm just blind af). This comes off much more like a "what would it take to get him" scenario to me really. But I could be primed that way though reading a Matthews playing with McDavid article recently so it could be my bad. What a hell of a bidding war league-wide that would be.
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:01
    #12
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    Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
    @EsoYeezus69 Is this the premise? I've read nothing here that makes this assumption (unless I'm just blind af). This comes off much more like a "what would it take to get him" scenario to me really. But I could be primed that way though reading a Matthews playing with McDavid article recently so it could be my bad. What a hell of a bidding war league-wide that would be.


    You said it yourself, 'Stuff like that is why a GM is not motivated to move this kind of player.' The only way a player like McDavid becomes available is because the Oilers want to move him.
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:03
    #13
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    Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
    mcdavid is the best player in the world and he's not even in his prime yet. It's scary to think what his career is gonna look like


    Last offseason he spent the entire summer re-habing a near-career-ending knee injury instead of working out and training hard. He came in and scored 97 points in 64 games... after a healthy rest he scored 5 goals and 9 points in 4 playoff games.

    I don't think we've seen peak McDavid yet. Hold on to your hat, the next few years are going to be fun.
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    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:03
    #14
    themostleaf33
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    Quoting: Herms17
    its starts with Mathews and moves from there.


    The whole point is to get Matthews and McDavid together I think.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:05
    #15
    themostleaf33
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    Marner, Sandin, Robertson, two 1st rounders, and Andersen.

    For McDavid and Koskinen.

    That's the most I would give up if I'm Toronto, otherwise it simply is not worth it. And no they won't trade Matthews because the whole point is to get Matthews and McDavid together.
    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:06
    #16
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    JRob for Calder
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    Quoting: BlastnyFromThePastny
    @EsoYeezus69 Is this the premise? I've read nothing here that makes this assumption (unless I'm just blind af). This comes off much more like a "what would it take to get him" scenario to me really. But I could be primed that way though reading a Matthews playing with McDavid article recently so it could be my bad. What a hell of a bidding war league-wide that would be.


    It was just to see the oilers fanbase and the leafs fanbase fight tbh, but yeah it comes as what it would take, not McDavid demanding a trade
    Nov 25, 2020 at 3:07
    #17
    RangerWall92
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    Martin Marincin
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