Excellent post
Especially for a Leafs fan 😂😂😂

Why the diss in the 2nd half?

Yes, like I said, Forsburg was a future. A prospect. He wasn’t P.Forsberg at the time. They got a top 100 prospect, 2 1st, and and NHL player with potential. Thanks!! You proved my point!!

And you’re wrong, they got 1 1st round pick, and a Ron hextall cap dump too.

And you are really comparing Lindros to J.Eichel. Lindros was supposed to be the next Lemiuex or Gretzky and was one of the biggest trades and history. Him and the Gretzky deal. No one else even close. Definitely won’t be Jack eichel. And that’s not knocking him. But he’s not bringing back close to that return

Thats one ****ty offer fr eichel

Nothing personal.....
but your cohorts are a special breed for the most part
And i was joking with you,
hence the “😂😂😂” emojis at the end

Well instead,
how about we trade you a similar package for Draisaitl?
Reinhart, two 1sts, and a prospect picked in the 2nd like Samuelsson

That’s totally fair... right?
Cool, THANKS FOR DRAISAITL

Draistaitl> Eichel. Eichel never had 100 points or scored 50 goals. Or close. Just compare their stats. And Draisaitl is the raining Hart, Art Ross and Lindsay winning.

But yes, close, Draisaitl, brings back, an nhl player with all-star potential, probably 2 prospect package and 2 1sts. Very similar. But he’s a different tier of player. Just look at Eichel’s numbers? They arnt even comparable. McDavid, Sid, MacKinnon, Matthews(and if u want to make Draisaitl a center, which he hasn’t played in Acouple years). Is tier 1. Superstar players. The top tier. See Gretzsky, Lemieuix, Messier, Stevie Y, Bobby Hall, Geordie Howe, etc. tier 2 = Eichel, Point, E.Pettersson, Barkov, Malkin, etc. those players are bringing back, a young NHL player with all-star potential, a top 100 prospect and 1 or 2 first round picks. That’s the value man!!

Yes, The best option is for a team to keep the player. Cause most likely, when u give up the best player in the deal, u lose the deal. Unless the futures hit big. Which is a crap shoot. Like the lindros trade that was said before; and P.Forsburg hit big for Colorado(Actually it was the Wahlers at that time). But at that time, he was just a “future”. Same top 100 prospect chance. Some hit, some don’t.

But what do u think teams do?? Trade their whole teams and whole minor league system for one player?? No team does that?? Ever, in any sport. It’s just not gonna happen. Most likely it’s a contenting team acquiring the player, they only want to trade futures. And usually the team that is trading, takes back some contracts too, to make the deal work. I don’t know what u would expect a player to bring back?? A whole team? 4-5 1st’s and 3 prospects and a top player, that’s crazy man, absolutely crazy. Again, Draisaitl, a top tier player, a tier above Eichel, just compare the numbers. Yes, Draisaitl, brings back a young NHL player with all-star potential, probably 2 top 2-5 prospects in their system, and 2 1st round picks. Probably, lottery protected too, very few teams ever even trade a top 5 pick, they are super valuable. A top 5 pick alone will bring back an all star player, and a later 1st.

I stopped reading after 2 lines
Take your nonsense outta here
U guys wouldn’t trade Draisaitl for that
And we aren’t trading Eichel for this crappy offer
IT’S NOT HAPPENING

You’re “ignored”
Peace out

Thank you!! Happy thanksgiving!!

Draisaitl has played center continually for several years now. Here's his faceoff stats for the past few years:

2017-18: 1198 faceoffs, 26th in the league (McDavid took 909)
2018-19: 1340 faceoffs, 17th in the league (McDavid took 918)
2019-20: 1269 faceoffs, 11th in the league (McDavid took 670)

It's interesting that you have no problem calling Pettersson a center when he actually played wing last year:

2018-19: 627 faceoffs (Horvat took 2018)
2019-20: 141 faceoffs (Horvat took 1483, Miller took 718)

Draisaitl is usually the center when he's on the ice with McDavid and he hasn't played with McDavid since December 2019.

http://naturalstattrick.com/linestats.php?fromseason=20192020&thruseason=20192020&stype=2&sit=5v5&score=all&rate=n&team=EDM&vteam=ALL&view=wowy&loc=B&gpfilt=gpdate&fd=2019-12-30&td=2020-04-04&tgp=2000&strict=incl&p1=8478402&p2=8477934&p3=0&p4=0&p5=0

It's not enough for Eichel even if he did demand a trade (he won't for now, but if the Sabres miss the playoffs next season look for these rumors to resurface with renewed energy).

Personally I don't think Ken Holland would win that bidding war as he has about the least need for Eichel of any GM in the league.

Kris Russell is a cap dump, And there's zero guarantee's that Ryan Nugent-Hopkins would sign with Buffalo. There's noway Buffalo accepts that deal.

Remember when our dipstick gm traded ror for magic beans? One of those magic beans was a first round pick, that as luck would have it, ended up being pick 31. He then used pick 31 to draft ryan johnson who is currently the second best defenseman at the university of north dakota. I know the value of a top 3 pick, i am painfully aware of what can go wrong if the pick is as late as 8, and ive seen an awful lot of swings and misses after pick 8. I guess im just saying i would rather see a top prospect or two instead/in addition to the first(s).

The funny thing is, this offer is even better than the one above. At least Reinhart is an RFA expiry whereas Nuge can just walk and it doesn't include a cap dump.

God this is ridiculous. You asked for an example where somebody got traded for more than this package (which is majorly built up with futures), and I gave you one, but you dismiss it because it contains better futures than this package. The return was still more than this.

The return included 2 first round picks, not one, btw. The salary cap also did not exist when the trade took place, so how exactly was Hextall a cap dump?

And no, I'm not comparing Jack Eichel to Eric Lindros; you asked for a trade in any sport where a player returned more than the above trade. That was the trade I chose.

I'm done with this conversation because it is clearly not going anywhere, so I'm going to take a Leaf out of @Jdfitz77 book:

Make it Draisaitl, Klefbom, and your firsts from 2022-2026 and I'll send you Eichel's regards

I think he was being sarcastic "Why the diss in the 2nd half? tears of joy"

@RedWing9119

Russell, Kris is a cap dump
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan is a #1 center but not elite
Lavoie, Raphael is a B prospect
2022 1st round pick (EDM) late 1st round so call this a second
2023 1st round pick (EDM) same
Neither first is this year so the Sabres would need to wait at least 3 years to see any return from those picks.

Please do not bother answering them any more.
Would any of them trade McDavid (or Draisaitl) for Reinhart, Miller, Quinn, 2021, 2022 and 2023 first
They would laugh in your face, but ii is tons more than this offer.

Not sure why you linked me but for peace of mind I agree with you. That trade is mostly silly. Also. I'm not an RNH fan so that makes the value even worse for me.

Lol, Mc David and draiasaitl are a different tier of player.. good luck man. Some team Is trading their whole team, and 3 person prospect package, plus 3 1st for Eichel..lol. It will be the new Gretzky deal but Eichel brought back more..lol.

Too bad every Analyst, insider, hockey writer, writes the return for Eichel, is a young NHL player with all-star potential, a top 100 prospect, And two 1st( lottery protected they arnt gonna be two top 10 picks. Maybe one higher one a contending team received in a trade, but most likely a teamtrading for Eichel are gonna be a contending team). That his value. McDavjd and Draisiastl are a different trot of player. More value. But still not the moon like u think the return will be.snd yes, for the 100% time, the best move and best value they would probably get is to keep him. Which is probably most likely!!

Quote copy and paste!


1.Brent Burns, Ryan Merkley, Jonathan Dahlen, and a future first-round pick for Eichel.

2. Timo Meier, Merkley, and Dahlen, and a first-round pick for Eichel.


The two deals before this in the article says: A “combination” of the players(which is 2 or 3 players). And includes no picks. Again, copy and paste:

To the Arizona Coyotes for Barrett Hayton, Victor Soderstrom, and goalie Ivan Prosvetov.

https://www.nhltraderumors.me/2020/03/trade-bait-if-buffalo-traded-jack.html?m=1

Next article: to Boston:

Jack Debrusk OR J.Studnika, U.Vaakanianen, 1st round pick.

Somehow every ananylst, hockey writer says pretty much in line with what I was saying. This is the realistic return for Eichel. I love google!! Same thing as the lindros trade was ONE 1st round pick, and Ron Hextall’s cap dump along with the 2 NHL players, P.Forburg(just another top 100 prospect at the time) and ONE 1st round pick.

https://blueseatblogs.com/2020/06/17/ny-rangers-trade-rumors-on-the-buffalo-sabres-and-what-it-takes-to-get-jack-eichel/

https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/insider-proposes-blockbuster-trade-between-the-bruins-and-sabres-for-jack-eichel

Beecher, debrusk and a draft pick package.

Let me cut to the chase.
You have spent a great deal of time trying to dispute my comment.
Please look at my post again.
I never proposed 3 players and 3 first for Jack:
"Would any of them trade McDavid (or Draisaitl) for Reinhart, Miller, Quinn, 2021, 2022 and 2023 first
They would laugh in your face, but ii is tons more than this offer."
Also I stand by my evaluation which you chose to ignore:
Russell, Kris is a cap dump
Nugent-Hopkins, Ryan is a #1 center but not elite
Lavoie, Raphael is a B prospect
2022 1st round pick (EDM) late 1st round so call this a second
2023 1st round pick (EDM) same
Nugent-Hopkins with one year remaining on his contract offers Buffalo nearly nothing as he could and most likely would walk after one year as who would want to play for in a dumpster fire.

Let's look total pts of the last five players drafted in the first round from 2012 to 2016 I excluded 2017, 18 and 20 as they are too young to include in this example as the point totals for the last five players drafted in those years only equals 45.
2012 354
2013 331
2014 186
2015 156
2016 96
Those are the CAREER pts of the last five players drafted during those years.
Jack was drafted in 2015 his 5 year pt total of 337 exceed the total pts for all five players in each of those years except 2012.
IMO it is save to presume the draft picks will amount to nothing.
So the trade is a first line center for one year, cap dump, and B prospect and two picks that most likely will prove to be nothing.
Please tell me you are being sarcastic to presume this is a good trade for the Sabres.

I’m not the OP. Read my posts if u want to respond.I just said it’s a fair offer and was around his value. And I said PNH signing an extension.

mcdavid and drai are way better than jack so you can't compare what it would cost to get mcdavid and drai to the price of Eichel.

Wow I did not except to start this big of a debate.

Crappy trade proposals for superstars will do that dude
Eichel has NOT asked out
And he’s is NOT being traded

You’re basically just trolling with this proposal to begin with