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Hall at the TDL worst case scenario

Created by: Sabres923
Initial Creation Date: Nov 27, 2020
Published: Nov 27, 2020 at 9:41
Team: 2020-21 Buffalo Sabres
Team Explanation
Could be over or underselling. Hall will obviously have a good bounce back year. Dzingel is coming back to buffalo for cap purposes.
Trades
BUF
  1. Geekie, Morgan
  2. Dzingel, Ryan
  3. 2021 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Hall, Taylor ($4,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
  • Cody Hodgson: $791,667
  • Christian Ehrhoff: $0
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Taylor Hall: $4,000,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
BUF
CAR
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
2022
BUF
BUF
BUF
CAR
BUF
BUF
BUF
2023
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
BUF
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,036,667$1,487,500$4,357,500$2,463,333
Left WingCenterRight Wing
BUF
Skinner, Jeff
$9,000,000
LW, RW
NMC
UFA - 7
BUF
Eichel, Jack
$10,000,000
C
UFA - 6
BUF
Cozens, Dylan
$894,167
C, LW
RFA - 3
BUF
Olofsson, Victor
$3,050,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
BUF
Staal, Eric
$3,250,000
C
NTC
UFA - 1
BUF
Reinhart, Sam
$5,200,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
CAR
Dzingel, Ryan
$3,375,000
LW, RW, C
UFA - 1
CAR
Geekie, Morgan
$763,333
C, RW
RFA - 1
BUF
Thompson, Tage
$1,400,000
C, RW
RFA - 3
BUF
Girgensons, Zemgus
$2,200,000
C, LW
UFA - 3
BUF
Eakin, Cody
$2,250,000
C
UFA - 2
BUF
Okposo, Kyle
$6,000,000
RW
NTC
UFA - 3
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
BUF
Dahlin, Rasmus
$925,000
LD
RFA - 1
BUF
Ristolainen, Rasmus
$5,400,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Ullmark, Linus
$2,600,000
G
UFA - 1
BUF
Montour, Brandon
$3,850,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Miller, Colin
$3,875,000
RD
UFA - 2
BUF
Hutton, Carter
$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
BUF
McCabe, Jake
$2,850,000
LD
UFA - 1
BUF
Jokiharju, Henri
$925,000
RD
RFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
BUF
Irwin, Matt
$700,000
RD
UFA - 1
BUF
Rieder, Tobias
$700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
BUF
Lazar, Curtis
$800,000
C, RW
UFA - 2

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Nov 27, 2020 at 9:43
#1
Sabres are elite
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We'd have to be really out of it to trade Hall at TDL. Value wise I think that's about as fair as it can get
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Nov 27, 2020 at 9:45
#2
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Not necessarily here (although I’d bet this is a spot it happens) but I could see salary rarely being retained to get back better value due to the covid financial situation and owners not wanting to spend extra money than they have to
Nov 27, 2020 at 9:45
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Quoting: Skyraider112
We'd have to be really out of it to trade Hall at TDL. Value wise I think that's about as fair as it can get

It was just more for discussion. But I do think they will be in the race at the TDL, a short seasons is really going to to be beneficial.
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Nov 27, 2020 at 9:52
#4
Not JoshAnderson17
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he can get more
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Nov 27, 2020 at 9:55
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Bcarlo25
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Edited Nov 27, 2020 at 10:26
I think anyone trying to say they have a good idea of what hall would fetch at the deadline is nuts. I could see the Sabres getting an absolute ransom because so many teams will be in the hunt. I could also see teams being super scared of using assets in a pandemic year, and he winds up going for a 2nd and a B prospect.
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Nov 27, 2020 at 10:10
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Pre-Med Pain.
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I think anyone trying to say they have a good idea of what hall would fetch at the deadline. I could see the Sabres getting an absolute ransom because so many teams will be in the hunt. I could also see teams being super scared of using assets in a pandemic year, and he winds up going for a 2nd and a B prospect.


Agreed
Nov 27, 2020 at 11:46
#7
GenericUsername489
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Quoting: Sabres923
It was just more for discussion. But I do think they will be in the race at the TDL, a short seasons is really going to to be beneficial.


If the divisions are the same as the leaked ones, Buffalo likely won't be fighting for playoffs.
Nov 27, 2020 at 11:54
#8
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Quoting: GenericUsername489
If the divisions are the same as the leaked ones, Buffalo likely won't be fighting for playoffs.

Say it’s a 48 game season, Buffalos record in 18-19 after 48 games, 24-18-6 4 points Out.
In 19-20, 22-19-7 5 points out. They made huge improvements to the top 6 too.
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Nov 28, 2020 at 12:11
#9
GenericUsername489
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Quoting: Sabres923
Say it’s a 48 game season, Buffalos record in 18-19 after 48 games, 24-18-6 4 points Out.
In 19-20, 22-19-7 5 points out. They made huge improvements to the top 6 too.


Yeah but if it's the leaked divisions then Buffalo heads into a more difficult division than the Atlantic.
Nov 28, 2020 at 12:14
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Quoting: GenericUsername489
Yeah but if it's the leaked divisions then Buffalo heads into a more difficult division than the Atlantic.


Right it’s a tough division my point is they always get to respectable starts to the season. The new additions could pull them over. They are better than the Rangers and the Devils in my opinion, I’m hoping for an expanded playoff.
Nov 28, 2020 at 12:33
#11
GenericUsername489
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Quoting: Sabres923
Right it’s a tough division my point is they always get to respectable starts to the season. The new additions could pull them over. They are better than the Rangers and the Devils in my opinion, I’m hoping for an expanded playoff.


I think Rangers are for sure better, even with the additions to Buffalo. I don't think Buffalo is an option to make a 16 team, 4 per division playoffs. If there's 24 again, there's a chance but still think odds are against them.
Nov 28, 2020 at 12:47
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Quoting: GenericUsername489
I think Rangers are for sure better, even with the additions to Buffalo. I don't think Buffalo is an option to make a 16 team, 4 per division playoffs. If there's 24 again, there's a chance but still think odds are against them.

Disagree Rangers have one of the worst defensive groups in the NHL. They got outclassed by a Carolina team in the play ins. If it’s an extended format Buffalo easily gets in.
Nov 28, 2020 at 1:24
#13
GenericUsername489
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Quoting: Sabres923
Disagree Rangers have one of the worst defensive groups in the NHL. They got outclassed by a Carolina team in the play ins. If it’s an extended format Buffalo easily gets in.


Their left side is suspect but their right side is one of the best in the NHL. Also, I have high hopes for K'Andre Miller that he will make the team and stabilize their biggest weakness. Plus, Laf improves the Rangers depth scoring and their goaltending will be more consistent in the regular season. But we can agree to disagree.
Nov 28, 2020 at 10:02
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
I think anyone trying to say they have a good idea of what hall would fetch at the deadline is nuts. I could see the Sabres getting an absolute ransom because so many teams will be in the hunt. I could also see teams being super scared of using assets in a pandemic year, and he winds up going for a 2nd and a B prospect.


I think a retained hall to a contender gets a first in 21 to start. But thats partially because the 21 draft is supposed to be very weak, i can see gms picking in the 20s in a crappy draft easily throwing the pick in for a guy that won the hart a couple years ago. I think the 22 and 23 draft are supposed to be much stronger, so gms will bid accordingly.
Nov 28, 2020 at 10:16
#15
Bcarlo25
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Quoting: sabres89
I think a retained hall to a contender gets a first in 21 to start. But thats partially because the 21 draft is supposed to be very weak, i can see gms picking in the 20s in a crappy draft easily throwing the pick in for a guy that won the hart a couple years ago. I think the 22 and 23 draft are supposed to be much stronger, so gms will bid accordingly.


I refer you to my previous statement.
 
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