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Draft Class: 2017
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Published: Nov. 28, 2020 at 11:17 a.m.
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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Liljegren is much better than Vaakanainen
Nov. 28, 2020 at 5:31 p.m.
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Bcarlo25
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Liljegren is much better than Vaakanainen


Based on?
Nov. 28, 2020 at 7:13 p.m.
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Jeuck75
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Cale Makar is too low. He's go at LEAST 2nd. Maybe even 1st!!
Nov. 28, 2020 at 7:54 p.m.
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sen krak fan
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Where is Liligjern?And Makar should be 3rd!
Nov. 28, 2020 at 8:23 p.m.
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Bcarlo25
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Where is Liligjern?And Makar should be 3rd!


You been impressed with liljegren?
Nov. 29, 2020 at 12:40 p.m.
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sen krak fan
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You been impressed with liljegren?


Well mostly.
Nov. 29, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.
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Xavier
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Quoting: Bcarlo25
Based on?


Based on his AHL play. He was one of the contenders for Defensemen of the year before he was called up to the NHL
He didn't do good in the NHL but his step up in the AHL this year is for sure better than Vaakanainen
Nov. 29, 2020 at 7:14 p.m.
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Jinx god
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Cale Makar is too low. He's go at LEAST 2nd. Maybe even 1st!!


Heiskanen is better than him
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Nov. 29, 2020 at 10:06 p.m.
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Bcarlo25
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Based on his AHL play. He was one of the contenders for Defensemen of the year before he was called up to the NHL
He didn't do good in the NHL but his step up in the AHL this year is for sure better than Vaakanainen


Based on what? Their hockeydb page? Or would you like to say you’ve seen them both play a whole bunch?
Nov. 30, 2020 at 2:05 a.m.
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Juuso Valimaki should be way higher. Like fifth or sixth.
Nov. 30, 2020 at 2:42 a.m.
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Xavier
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Based on what? Their hockeydb page? Or would you like to say you’ve seen them both play a whole bunch?


Ok fair I haven't seen Vaakanainen play, but not everything comes down to eye test. The difference of numbers from last year was so great that I can confidently say Liljegren is better.
Also after reading some reports for others who know much more than me, also agree. I can send the links just reply if you want them.
Nov. 30, 2020 at 7:28 a.m.
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Jeuck75
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Heiskanen is better than him


Lol, no he's not
Nov. 30, 2020 at 9:25 a.m.
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Bcarlo25
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Ok fair I haven't seen Vaakanainen play, but not everything comes down to eye test. The difference of numbers from last year was so great that I can confidently say Liljegren is better.
Also after reading some reports for others who know much more than me, also agree. I can send the links just reply if you want them.


Nah I’m good. I’ve formed my own opinion. Super high ceiling, kind of diminishing chance of fulfilling his potential.

This is more about what I think about liljegren than anything. I don’t think he’s anything.
Nov. 30, 2020 at 11:38 a.m.
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Xavier
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Nah I’m good. I’ve formed my own opinion. Super high ceiling, kind of diminishing chance of fulfilling his potential.

This is more about what I think about liljegren than anything. I don’t think he’s anything.


He had a great season last year as he continues to improve. The only year he struggled was his 19 year old season (2nd marlie season).
Last season only Jake Bean and Erik Brannstrom had a higher PPG in the AHL. Liljegren is great in transition and strong defensively.
I understand you are a Boston Bruin fan and being biased. In my own Mock draft I have Liljegren falling from 17 to 25
Nov. 30, 2020 at 11:41 a.m.
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He had a great season last year as he continues to improve. The only year he struggled was his 19 year old season (2nd marlie season).
Last season only Jake Bean and Erik Brannstrom had a higher PPG in the AHL. Liljegren is great in transition and strong defensively.
I understand you are a Boston Bruin fan and being biased. In my own Mock draft I have Liljegren falling from 17 to 25


And you are a leafs fan being what exactly?
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Nov. 30, 2020 at 12:27 p.m.
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Xavier
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And you are a leafs fan being what exactly?


True I'm a leafs fan, and I'm biased about a lot of things, but just look up professionally done re-draft. I don't think you can find one that has Vaakanainen over Liljegren.
Tbh it's just a awful take all around. His regular stats, his advanced stats, professional reporters all favor Liljegren. Sure your criticism is fair and in a redraft Liljegren deserves to fall around 8-15 picks but not as far as Vaakanainen.
Nov. 30, 2020 at 1:00 p.m.
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True I'm a leafs fan, and I'm biased about a lot of things, but just look up professionally done re-draft. I don't think you can find one that has Vaakanainen over Liljegren.
Tbh it's just a awful take all around. His regular stats, his advanced stats, professional reporters all favor Liljegren. Sure your criticism is fair and in a redraft Liljegren deserves to fall around 8-15 picks but not as far as Vaakanainen.


The language i objected to was, “Liljgeren is much better than Vaakanainen.” Now, personally, I like Vaakanainen a smidge better purely because of style of play. I think his attention to the defensive areas of the game have a bigger impact on the ice, and have the added benefit of normally being contractually more valuable (defense doesn’t get paid the way point production does). However, I think they’re pretty much in the same boat. Both have pretty high ceilings, but are in the territory of, “I kinda would have liked them to be in the NHL by now more consistently.”
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Dec. 1, 2020 at 3:38 p.m.
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Makar at 2
 
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