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Team: 2020-21 Calgary Flames
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 28, 2020
Published: Nov. 28, 2020
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Free Agent Signings
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1$925,000
3$925,000
3$925,000
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$800,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
4$2,500,000
Trades
1.
CGY
  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Räsänen, Eemeli [Reserve List]
  3. Rosén, Calle
  4. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
2.
CGY
  1. 2022 2nd round pick (NSH)
3.
CGY
  1. Laferriere, Alex [Reserve List]
LAK
  1. Lucic, Milan
  2. 2021 3rd round pick (EDM)
  3. 2022 1st round pick (TOR)
  4. 2023 1st round pick (CGY)
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2021
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2022
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2023
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20$81,500,000$67,404,666$0$457,500$14,095,334
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
LW
UFA - 2
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$6,375,000$6,375,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
UFA - 5
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$2,425,000$2,425,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
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$5,350,000$5,350,000
C
NTC
UFA - 4
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$4,850,000$4,850,000
C, RW
UFA - 4
$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$2,550,000$2,550,000
C
UFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$1,500,000$1,500,000
C, LW
UFA - 1
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$778,333$778,333 (Performance Bonus$32,500$32K)
LW, RW, C
RFA - 1
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$700,000$700,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,375,000$3,375,000
LD
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UFA - 2
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$4,550,000$4,550,000
RD
UFA - 6
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$6,000,000$6,000,000
G
NMC
UFA - 6
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$1,237,500$1,237,500
LD
UFA - 4
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
RD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$1,375,000$1,375,000
G
UFA - 1
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$894,166$894,166 (Performance Bonus$425,000$425K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1

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Nov. 28, 2020 at 11:59 a.m.
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LOL your funny bro
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:03 p.m.
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You would have a hard time making a convincing argument for why Tkachuk is worth more than Marner valuewise.
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:08 p.m.
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I heff to be mad...
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Quoting: Byrr
You would have a hard time making a convincing argument for why Tkachuk is worth more than Marner valuewise.


Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:11 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.


Coming from a fan of both teams tkachuk=marner. Both bring something different, both on questionable contracts. Neither team is trading their guy.
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: Byrr
You would have a hard time making a convincing argument for why Tkachuk is worth more than Marner valuewise.


Facts. Also, Calgary would be way over the cap. 2 million or more if im not wrong.
Marner+Rosen=11.2M
Tkachuk=7M

Do the math and tell me how much Calgary would be over cap by. The number aint pretty
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:13 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.


Thats nice and all but the problem is the evidence doesn't really support it.
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:16 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.


Didnt you not just question me in my forum why the leafs should make a Tkachuk for Marner trade? Yet here you are, doing the same thing LOL
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:19 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.


Quoting: Jamiepo
Coming from a fan of both teams tkachuk=marner. Both bring something different, both on questionable contracts. Neither team is trading their guy.


This debate is a testament to Tkachuk bringing more in terms of overall play than Marner. Tkachuk's grit and pain in the ass aspect of his game gives him more value than Marner
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:20 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
This debate is a testament to Tkachuk bringing more in terms of overall play than Marner. Tkachuk's grit and pain in the butt aspect of his game gives him more value than Marner


Exactly what the Leafs need
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:21 p.m.
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Exactly what the Leafs need


Right, that's why I pointed this out
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.

Yep.
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
This debate is a testament to Tkachuk bringing more in terms of overall play than Marner. Tkachuk's grit and pain in the ass aspect of his game gives him more value than Marner


Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
This debate is a testament to Tkachuk bringing more in terms of overall play than Marner. Tkachuk's grit and pain in the ass aspect of his game gives him more value than Marner


Marners ability to drive play is better than tkachuk as well as his vision. Tkachuk is good at getting under other teams skin. Both are highly skilled.

The issue I find is that you can get someone at league min to go out an agitate. Leafs fans obsession with tkachuk is nauseating. He was a 100% not getting moved.
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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Never you trade Tkachuk!
Nov. 28, 2020 at 12:48 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.


They are equal. Don't know how Tkachuk > Marner

Quoting: jchafe77
Facts. Also, Calgary would be way over the cap. 2 million or more if im not wrong.
Marner+Rosen=11.2M
Tkachuk=7M

Do the math and tell me how much Calgary would be over cap by. The number aint pretty


Yea and in 2 years Tkachuk is gonna want at least 10mil+. Yea that number ain't pretty either. Also Rosen can just be sent to the minors so I have no idea what logic that is

Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
This debate is a testament to Tkachuk bringing more in terms of overall play than Marner. Tkachuk's grit and pain in the ass aspect of his game gives him more value than Marner


what about defensive game and impact? Marner plays a much bigger role in Toronto and has a better defensive game and great passing to tie with Tkachuks grit
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:05 p.m.
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Quoting: LeafsFan4Ever34
Coming from a Leafs fan, Tkachuk > Marner.


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Yep.


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lol marner is better than tkachuk what, especially at 5v5. why would we EVER make that swap

haha oh wait, oops, that's william nylander's stats, not marner wink

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Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
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lol marner is better than tkachuk what, especially at 5v5. why would we EVER make that swap

haha oh wait, oops, that's william nylander's stats, not marner wink

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Put Tkachuk with Tavares or Matthews on a scoring line and he blows Nylander out of the water, come on man, he’s played 5v5 with Backlund and either Frolik or Mangiapane for the last few years, all of whom have broken 50 points exactly one time combined in their careers. Plus he brings all the intangibles you could possibly want and draws the most penalties in the league consistently. The only Leaf that would make Calgary actually think about trading Tkachuk is Matthews
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:41 p.m.
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Put Tkachuk with Tavares or Matthews on a scoring line and he blows Nylander out of the water, come on man, he’s played 5v5 with Backlund and either Frolik or Mangiapane for the last few years, all of whom have broken 50 points exactly one time combined in their careers. Plus he brings all the intangibles you could possibly want and draws the most penalties in the league consistently. The only Leaf that would make Calgary actually think about trading Tkachuk is Matthews


but wait it gets better

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no but fr, leafs have no need for tkachuk. He's no good to us in the penalty box. Nylander is an elite playmaker with a wicked shot, plus he's got term

we can sign some grinders like Vesey and Simmonds for under 2M to do that sandpaper stuff
Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:47 p.m.
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Quoting: Lyle_Bubas
but wait it gets better

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no but fr, leafs have no need for tkachuk. He's no good to us in the penalty box. Nylander is an elite playmaker with a wicked shot, plus he's got term

we can sign some grinders like Vesey and Simmonds for under 2M to do that sandpaper stuff

Sure man and Cheechoo is the greatest sniper of all time. Dunno why you’re picking a career year with elite linemates to compare with an actual elite playdricer on a shutdown line, who also combines 3 roster spots into 1 player by your logic
Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:48 p.m.
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Sure man and Cheechoo is the greatest sniper of all time. Dunno why you’re picking a career year with elite linemates to compare with an actual elite playdricer on a shutdown line, who also combines 3 roster spots into 1 player by your logic


I'd rather have willy/marner and a couple grinders than a guy who gets injured laying big hits and fighting who we also rely on to do the scoring

I was memeing around with the willy stuff, you can at least make the argument there given that they're the same players statistically but they bring different elements (skating/possession vs. hits and intangibles)

in terms of MARNER though, it's not even close, marner is light years better
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he's a better playmaker, way better defensively, he's a fantastic skater/puck mover etc. etc. plus he's signed for 5 more years rather than 2
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:51 p.m.
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I'd rather have willy/marner and a couple grinders than a guy who gets injured laying big hits and fighting who we also rely on to do the scoring

LOL hold up you’re gonna hold getting a concussion by being squeezed by a double hit in open ice between a guy who’s 6’2” 210 and another guy who’s 6’7” 255 against him now? Foh I’m done
Nov. 28, 2020 at 1:53 p.m.
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LOL hold up you’re gonna hold getting a concussion by being squeezed by a double hit in open ice between a guy who’s 6’2” 210 and another guy who’s 6’7” 255 against him now? Foh I’m done


i wasn't referring to a specific incident, I just don't need my star scorer breaking his hand or jaw in a fight or hurting himself trying to lay huge hits and missing games
Nov. 28, 2020 at 2:11 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
Put Tkachuk with Tavares or Matthews on a scoring line and he blows Nylander out of the water, come on man, he’s played 5v5 with Backlund and either Frolik or Mangiapane for the last few years, all of whom have broken 50 points exactly one time combined in their careers. Plus he brings all the intangibles you could possibly want and draws the most penalties in the league consistently. The only Leaf that would make Calgary actually think about trading Tkachuk is Matthews


Man, i didn’t realize that Tkatchuk was a giveaway machine... compared to Nylander even.
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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Kings would probably take Lucic for a 2021 1st and a 3rd, but they'll likely only give back an AHLer.
Nov. 28, 2020 at 2:49 p.m.
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Man, i didn’t realize that Tkatchuk was a giveaway machine... compared to Nylander even.

Ngl, I view giveaways/takeaways as one of the worst stats. Unless you're really good at them (like RoR, Stone, or Toews) there is a massive takeaway/giveaway bias depending on the arena you're in. VGK is one of the worst for ballooning their players' takeaway numbers (for example, Theodore had around 1.2 takeaways per game at home this year and 0.33 on the road). I believe the Oilers and Leafs are other arenas that count a ton of TA/GA but I might be wrong, VGK is definitely an offender for inflating stats though. On a side note I feel like VGK inflates most of these kinds of stats as Carrier/Reaves always have like 7 hits per game at home but that's beside the point for now, the main point is takeaways/giveaways are dumb EXCEPT for the extremes as they aren't standardized. Seems kinda weird from a statistical standpoint that the supposed outliers are the only ones you might be able to do something with, but that's what happens when you have a poorly defined stat left up to human judgement. You can sorta tell that they're arena biased because all of the top takeaway people are all of the top giveaway people too generally, doesn't make sense that they are the only ones with the puck ever.
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Nov. 28, 2020 at 4:46 p.m.
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Quoting: Alfie11
Ngl, I view giveaways/takeaways as one of the worst stats. Unless you're really good at them (like RoR, Stone, or Toews) there is a massive takeaway/giveaway bias depending on the arena you're in. VGK is one of the worst for ballooning their players' takeaway numbers (for example, Theodore had around 1.2 takeaways per game at home this year and 0.33 on the road). I believe the Oilers and Leafs are other arenas that count a ton of TA/GA but I might be wrong, VGK is definitely an offender for inflating stats though. On a side note I feel like VGK inflates most of these kinds of stats as Carrier/Reaves always have like 7 hits per game at home but that's beside the point for now, the main point is takeaways/giveaways are dumb EXCEPT for the extremes as they aren't standardized. Seems kinda weird from a statistical standpoint that the supposed outliers are the only ones you might be able to do something with, but that's what happens when you have a poorly defined stat left up to human judgement. You can sorta tell that they're arena biased because all of the top takeaway people are all of the top giveaway people too generally, doesn't make sense that they are the only ones with the puck ever.


Honestly I’ve never looked into this, it I can definitely see how it would be open to inflation. It is pretty subjective TBF.
 
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