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Hockey trade your thoughts

Created by: CJ01
Initial Creation Date: Nov 28, 2020
Published: Nov 29, 2020 at 2:04
Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Free Agent Signings
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Howard, Jimmy2$2,500,000
Trades
PIT
  1. Hájek, Libor
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
NYR
  1. Pettersson, Marcus
  2. Poulin, Samuel
  3. 2022 2nd round pick (PIT)
Buyouts
  • Jack Johnson: $1,166,667
Retained Salary Transactions
  • Nick Bjugstad: $2,050,000 (50%)
DRAFT YEARROUND 1ROUND 2ROUND 3ROUND 4ROUND 5ROUND 6ROUND 7
2021
PIT
PIT
PIT
WSH
ANA
2022
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
2023
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
PIT
ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES BONUSESCAP SPACE
23$81,500,000$79,015,000$0$1,700,000$2,485,000

Roster

Left WingCenterRight Wing
PIT
Guentzel, Jake
$6,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 4
PIT
Crosby, Sidney
$8,700,000
C
NMC
UFA - 5
PIT
Zucker, Jason
$5,500,000
LW, RW
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Rust, Bryan
$3,500,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
PIT
Malkin, Evgeni
$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
NYR
Kravtsov, Vitali
$925,000
RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Tanev, Brandon
$3,500,000
RW, LW
NTC
UFA - 5
PIT
McCann, Jared
$2,940,000
LW, C
RFA - 2
PIT
Kapanen, Kasperi
$3,200,000
RW
RFA - 2
PIT
Jankowski, Mark
$700,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
PIT
Blueger, Teddy
$750,000
C, LW
RFA - 1
PIT
Lafferty, Sam
$750,000
C, LW
UFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
PIT
Dumoulin, Brian
$4,100,000
LD
NTC
UFA - 3
PIT
Letang, Kris
$7,250,000
RD
NMC NTC
UFA - 2
PIT
Jarry, Tristan
$3,500,000
G
UFA - 3
PIT
Matheson, Michael
$4,875,000
LD
UFA - 6
PIT
Marino, John
$925,000
RD
UFA - 1
Howard, Jimmy
$2,500,000
G
UFA
NYR
Hájek, Libor
$833,333
LD
RFA - 1
PIT
Ceci, Cody
$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
PIT
Riikola, Juuso
$1,150,000
LD
UFA - 2
PIT
Aston-Reese, Zach
$1,000,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
PIT
Sceviour, Colton
$1,200,000
RW
UFA - 1
PIT
DeSmith, Casey
$1,250,000
G
UFA - 2

Special Teams

Power Play 1
Kapanen, K.
Crosby, S.
Malkin, E.
Guentzel, J.
Letang, K.
Power Play 2
Zucker, J.
Jankowski, M.
Kravtsov, V.
McCann, J.
Ceci, C.
Penalty Kill 1
Tanev, B.
Rust, B.
Dumoulin, B.
Marino, J.
Penalty Kill 2
Blueger, T.
Lafferty, S.
Hájek, L.
Matheson, M.

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Nov 29, 2020 at 5:42
#26
Joined: Oct 2020
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Edited Nov 29, 2020 at 6:18
Quoting: Spanky227
It's from August, just three months ago, and one of the few that Bracco and Poulin are even on as more recent ones only show the top 50

To go more recent, from October post draft

https://theathletic.com/2019881/2020/10/14/nhl-prospect-rankings-wheelers-top-50-post-2020-draft-edition/?redirected=1

Kravtsov is at 39 meanwhile Poulin was cut from the rankings due to the influx of the 2020 draft.


I'll restate my question, which list are you using that puts him in the top 50? or are you just making that up?


It’s from the begining of last season. August, it was a pre-season top 100 prospects. For the 2019-20 season that just ended.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/28870800/ranking-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-hockey-risers-fallers-new-no-1

Poulin 48th.

The hockey writers will have a new one soon. They just put out their top 10 for each team. Their top 100 for This season will be out soon. And Bracco won’t be on it. I guarantee u. Let alone 46 or whatever he was. And Poulin will be 40-60. PO Jospeh will probably be our only other top 100. He’ll probably be 85-99.

And I think SI’s top 100 had Poulin in as the 53rd or 54th. I’ll look

And how he been playing in the Canadian team WJ try-outs/practices/Bubble, he’s gonna probably get a bump up too. Everyone(well from the Pens beat writers, and insiders) say he’s the camp/practice stand-out. And hes been playing on the top line LW.
Nov 29, 2020 at 5:52
#27
Joined: Jun 2018
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Quoting: NYR1983
It’s not an unfair deal... it’s a bad deal...

It’s not an unfair deal(value is there)

It’s a bad deal(doesn’t fill the needs of NYR) and from the sounds of it most PIT fans don’t like it anyways


put the pipe down. The value is not there for the penguins. It's not close.

Even one for one MP for Kravtsov the value is not there.

The closest in value these two teams could get is Kravtsov for POJ.
That's it.

But truth be told neither player is currently ready to make the NHL jump, although both have the possibility.
This isn't a "bad" deal, it's a very unfair deal by someone who vastly over values a prospect.
Nov 29, 2020 at 6:02
#28
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Quoting: pharrow
put the pipe down. The value is not there for the penguins. It's not close.

Even one for one MP for Kravtsov the value is not there.

The closest in value these two teams could get is Kravtsov for POJ.
That's it.

But truth be told neither player is currently ready to make the NHL jump, although both have the possibility.
This isn't a "bad" deal, it's a very unfair deal by someone who vastly over values a prospect.


Oh boy, you realize I’m saying the value is there from a rangers perspective right? This might be hard for someone like yourself to realize but when I say the value is there it means WE(NYR) would accept it. Not at all saying PIT would. But I am also stating that this trade is a step back for us as it doesn’t address our needs, it actually jams us in certain areas. You’re more than welcome to speak on how unbalanced the trade is from a pens point of view, no one is disputing this. Now that I have spelled it out for you I’m thinking we are done here
Nov 29, 2020 at 6:07
#29
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Quoting: NYR1983
Oh boy, you realize I’m saying the value is there from a rangers perspective right? This might be hard for someone like yourself to realize but when I say the value is there it means WE(NYR) would accept it. Not at all saying PIT would. But I am also stating that this trade is a step back for us as it doesn’t address our needs, it actually jams us in certain areas. You’re more than welcome to speak on how unbalanced the trade is from a pens point of view, no one is disputing this. Now that I have spelled it out for you I’m thinking we are done here


dude, when talking value on a trade one side just isn't doing it.
Much like the lame duck trade on here where someone tried to trade a pile of not Austin Matthews for Austin Matthews to the penguins.
I mean, it's not like we go there and say, yeah sure. It's no TOR isn't going to accept that. That's what a fair trade means value wise.
Nov 29, 2020 at 6:12
#30
Tspky
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Quoting: PGHBOB69
It’s from the begining of last year season.

https://www.espn.com/nhl/insider/story/_/id/28870800/ranking-top-50-nhl-affiliated-prospects-hockey-risers-fallers-new-no-1

Poulin 48th.

The hockey writers will have a new one soon!! They just put out their top 10 for each team. Their top 100 for This season will be out soon. And Branco won’t be on it. I guarantee u. Let alone 46 or whatever he was.

And I think SI’s top 100 had Poulin in as the 53rd or 54th I think. I’ll look


Yeah so that's still a year older then my list so i think the one i mentioned would be more up to date. Just out of curiosity, where does Kravtsov rank on that list (as I don't subscribe to ESPN)
Nov 29, 2020 at 6:13
#31
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Quoting: pharrow
dude, when talking value on a trade one side just isn't doing it.
Much like the lame duck trade on here where someone tried to trade a pile of not Austin Matthews for Austin Matthews to the penguins.
I mean, it's not like we go there and say, yeah sure. It's no TOR isn't going to accept that. That's what a fair trade means value wise.


So you are comparing the above trade to one that would be a bunch of low prospects for AM? Enough said. You and I no longer be to discuss this
Nov 29, 2020 at 6:15
#32
Its pretty mint.
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Quoting: digitalbath
I think you could get jimmy howard for cheaper to be honest. 1 year 1.5 or 2 year 1.25 per


1 year at $700K is too much for Howard.
Nov 29, 2020 at 6:25
#33
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Edited Nov 29, 2020 at 7:04
Quoting: Spanky227
Yeah so that's still a year older then my list so i think the one i mentioned would be more up to date. Just out of curiosity, where does Kravtsov rank on that list (as I don't subscribe to ESPN)


31st.

I just have a hard time following that hockey writers one with Bracco on it..lol. He was released by Toronto.

Poulin will be 40-60 on this year’s hockey’s writers list. If he’s out of the top 50. It shouldn’t be by much.

How he been playing in the Canadian team WJ try-outs/practices/Bubble, he’s gonna probably get a bump up. Everyone(well from the Pens beat writers, and insiders) say he’s the camp/practice stand-out. And hes been playing on the top line LW. He’s 6’3, 215 too. He grew. Really good size now too and good speed. A good playmaker that can score too.

And I think the top 10 are the A+ prospects. And then top 25 some A+ prospects, some “A” prospects. But from #25-80, they are all “A” prospects. Expected to be all-star caliber players. Some hit though, some don’t!! And then when u get to 80-120 those are the “A-“ prospects with some in there still the “A” prospects. And then past 120/130, you start getting into “B+” prospects. So I don’t see a huge difference b/ween a 30th ranked prospect and a 50th.I think they are both “A” prospects. Like I don’t see a huge difference in a 85th ranked prospect and a 105 ranked prospect. I think they are both “A-“ prospects.
Nov 29, 2020 at 8:37
#34
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Quoting: NYR1983
So you are comparing the above trade to one that would be a bunch of low prospects for AM? Enough said. You and I no longer be to discuss this


that really is not the point there. Like at all.
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