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Team: 2020-21 Pittsburgh Penguins
Initial Creation Date: Nov. 29, 2020
Published: Nov. 30, 2020
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If Chara plays Pens should offer Chara 1 year deal worth up to 4 million to win cup and retire. Perfect fit as tough bottom pairing PK D and would be a great fit in room with Sid. Two hardest workers in the league.

Pens win cup and Sid proves to everyone once again that he is still the best player on earth.
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23$81,500,000$78,316,667$0$850,000$3,183,333

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LW, RW
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$3,200,000$3,200,000
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UFA - 3
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$9,500,000$9,500,000
C
NMC
UFA - 2
$4,000,000$4,000,000
C, RW
UFA - 1
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$1,000,000$1,000,000
LW, RW
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C, LW
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C, LW
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C, LW
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G
UFA - 1
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RD
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Dec. 1, 2020 at 7:11 p.m.
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Ya but he didnt play in the playoffs so i didnt include that upgrade. Totally agree


That’s the reason they went far in the playoffs. If boychuk never got injured they would have lost to the caps.
Dec. 1, 2020 at 7:12 p.m.
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That’s the reason they went far in the playoffs. If boychuk never got injured they would have lost to the caps.


No but they wouldnt have beat philly
Dec. 1, 2020 at 7:15 p.m.
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Toews + boychuk = Dobson-Greene

Boychuk was worth -0.9 WAR last year.

Projected WAR 20-21

Toews : 2.2
Dobson : 1.7
Greene : 0.7

They also have Sebastian Aho who will be a good player.


Quoting: Islesforthecup
Pelech is our best dman defensively and thats really important in the trotz system. I think dobson and leddy this year will be better than toews and leddy last year.


okay so even if their D core is "similar" (which I disagree with because I honestly dont think Boychuck is that bad), this is still a team that would've placed anywhere from 8-10 in the east had this not been a pandemic year. I don't see this team as a legit contender.
Dec. 1, 2020 at 7:17 p.m.
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okay so even if their D core is "similar" (which I disagree with because I honestly dont think Boychuck is that bad), this is still a team that would've placed anywhere from 8-10 in the east had this not been a pandemic year. I don't see this team as a legit contender.


No their offense will be much better plus sorokin might be a stud. Clearly better than last year, which is good because teams are getting worse.
Dec. 1, 2020 at 7:19 p.m.
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okay so even if their D core is "similar" (which I disagree with because I honestly dont think Boychuck is that bad), this is still a team that would've placed anywhere from 8-10 in the east had this not been a pandemic year. I don't see this team as a legit contender.


You can think what you want, boychuk one of the worst defenseman in the league last season. Well below replacement level - he was a complete liability last season. There’s not a micro stat or advanced stat out there that proves he was an NHL caliber D man.

Trotz has a problem getting out of his own way
Dec. 1, 2020 at 8:19 p.m.
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No their offense will be much better plus sorokin might be a stud. Clearly better than last year, which is good because teams are getting worse.


how will their offence get "much better"? maybe walstrom if he makes an impact, but thats about it...
Dec. 1, 2020 at 8:20 p.m.
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You can think what you want, boychuk one of the worst defenseman in the league last season. Well below replacement level - he was a complete liability last season. There’s not a micro stat or advanced stat out there that proves he was an NHL caliber D man.

Trotz has a problem getting out of his own way


trotz is the reason this team is where they are. hes maybe the best coach in the league. I wouldn't be complaining about him if I were you. everyone expected the isles to be a lottery team once Tavares left and the opposite has happened. trotz is able to get the most out of his roster.
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Dec. 1, 2020 at 8:40 p.m.
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trotz is the reason this team is where they are. hes maybe the best coach in the league. I wouldn't be complaining about him if I were you. everyone expected the isles to be a lottery team once Tavares left and the opposite has happened. trotz is able to get the most out of his roster.


No he is not. He’s a solid coach, but he’s not the main reason the team has had success. The only reason other fanbases say that is so they don’t have to give credit to the players .

He’s such a great coach that he stifles the development of young players and plays the worst players as long as they have size and work ethic. Trotz literally cost the team games with his insane lineup decisions.

Kuhnhackl : -2.1 WAR , bottom 5 defensive player in the league
Boychuk : -0.9 WAR , 5th worst GAR among NHL defenseman.

You should know what one below replacement level D can do a team. Imagine what the pens could have done in the playoffs without Jack Johnson
Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:14 p.m.
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No he is not. He’s a solid coach, but he’s not the main reason the team has had success. The only reason other fanbases say that is so they don’t have to give credit to the players .

He’s such a great coach that he stifles the development of young players and plays the worst players as long as they have size and work ethic. Trotz literally cost the team games with his insane lineup decisions.

Kuhnhackl : -2.1 WAR , bottom 5 defensive player in the league
Boychuk : -0.9 WAR , 5th worst GAR among NHL defenseman.

You should know what one below replacement level D can do a team. Imagine what the pens could have done in the playoffs without Jack Johnson


I agree with you on most things including the stifling of development and bad lineup decisions but even so hes a top 3 coach. If someone made his lineups he would easily be number 1.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:16 p.m.
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how will their offence get "much better"? maybe walstrom if he makes an impact, but thats about it...


Lee had a terrible year which will most likely not repeat. Barzal will hopefully take another step and score a little more. JG is in town and like you said wahlstrom who will have a big impact on the pp.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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Thats not how it works. At all. Either way MP at his deal is better than all those pieces.


You could keep MP, trade McCann and sign Granlund anyway.


Yes that is actually how it works. Simple addition and subtraction.

Trade McCann and sign Granlund or trade McCann and MP and get Zacha, Zetterlund, Chara and Granlund. Hmm.....
Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:26 p.m.
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I agree with you on most things including the stifling of development and bad lineup decisions but even so hes a top 3 coach. If someone made his lineups he would easily be number 1.


I’d say he’s in the 4-7 range. Coaching includes lineup decisions - the fact that he continues to hold back his teams because of his obsession with veteran grinders drops him out of the top 3 IMO. A lot of coaches have that one guy they play too much - trotz has like 3-4 of them.

Mitch korn deserves just as much credit , if not more, for trotz teams success.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:27 p.m.
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Lee had a terrible year which will most likely not repeat. Barzal will hopefully take another step and score a little more. JG is in town and like you said wahlstrom who will have a big impact on the pp.


Lee was terrible on the PP - s% was at a career low, but he was great at 5v5 this year. Playing with barzal doesn’t cater to his skill set , he’d have more goals if he was playing with nelson
Dec. 2, 2020 at 2:52 p.m.
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Quoting: Eddy
Yes that is actually how it works. Simple addition and subtraction.

Trade McCann and sign Granlund or trade McCann and MP and get Zacha, Zetterlund, Chara and Granlund. Hmm.....


You did not trade for Granlund or Chara. Jesus christ.
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Dec. 2, 2020 at 3:06 p.m.
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Yes that is actually how it works. Simple addition and subtraction.

Trade McCann and sign Granlund or trade McCann and MP and get Zacha, Zetterlund, Chara and Granlund. Hmm.....



And you sign chara to 3 millio... woof. Just keep MP / McCann and still sign granlaund. That would be WAYY better.
MP>>>> chara now
Dec. 2, 2020 at 3:39 p.m.
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I agree with you on most things including the stifling of development and bad lineup decisions but even so hes a top 3 coach. If someone made his lineups he would easily be number 1.


Tom kuhnackl had 270 minutes of ice time during the regular season. 108 of those were spent on the ice with Johnny boychuk. Trotz put two of the worst players in the league on the ice at the same time for 108 minutes - let’s see how that worked out...

Goals for - 0
Goals against - 7

39.41 % xGf% (anything below 50 is below average)



Seems like trotz stubbornly plays “his guys’ no matter what the outcome is. The isles could have literally played any replacement level players instead of those two and they’d have 2-4 more points in the regular season.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 3:59 p.m.
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And you sign chara to 3 millio... woof. Just keep MP / McCann and still sign granlaund. That would be WAYY better.
MP>>>> chara now


*If they can sign Granlund that is something to consider because signing Chara is a big if too. But I disagree, I would still take Chara over MP *for 1 year. He impacts the game in ways that very few players ever have in the history of the sport. MP is an adequate top 4 dman. Nothing special offensively or defensively. He would do better in a more proficient role somewhere else. He isn`t going to be an offensive catalyst in Pitt or a tough, shut down D. Pens would be better off with Chara in a clear cut defensive, PK , leadership role.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:01 p.m.
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*If they can sign Granlund that is something to consider because signing Chara is a big if too. But I disagree, I would still take Chara over MP *for 1 year. He impacts the game in ways that very few players ever have in the history of the sport. MP is an adequate top 4 dman. Nothing special offensively or defensively. He would do better in a more proficient role somewhere else. He isn`t going to be an offensive catalyst in Pitt or a tough, shut down D. Pens would be better off with Chara in a clear cut defensive, PK , leadership role.


Pens are trying to get faster and better at moving the puck. Chara completely contradicts that goal. MP is a very solid top 4 D for us and works great with Marino. Chara is way passed his prime and would only provide intangibles rather than actual on ice performance
Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:02 p.m.
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You did not trade for Granlund or Chara. Jesus christ.


No. But simple addition and subtraction sees the team transactions as:
Substracted: McCann, MP and Sceviour
Added: Chara, Granlund, Zacha, Zetterlund.

This team is better from these moves.

The results of the free cap space from the trade allow for the additions of Chara and Granlund. So yes, while they weren`t "traded for" they were still added to the team as a result of a trade. The specifics don`t matter. They were added in FA for nothing.

Get it?
Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:05 p.m.
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No. But simple addition and subtraction sees the team transactions as:
Substracted: McCann, MP and Sceviour
Added: Chara, Granlund, Zacha, Zetterlund.

This team is better from these moves.

The results of the free cap space from the trade allow for the additions of Chara and Granlund. So yes, while they weren`t "traded for" they were still added to the team as a result of a trade. The specifics don`t matter. They were added in FA for nothing.

Get it?


My point is that you did not trade for them. You signed them. Which you could do without getting rid of MP. You don't have to twist stuff to make yourself look right.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:08 p.m.
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Pens are trying to get faster and better at moving the puck. Chara completely contradicts that goal. MP is a very solid top 4 D for us and works great with Marino. Chara is way passed his prime and would only provide intangibles rather than actual on ice performance


Yes, I get that. But I would argue that MP does not provide very much of an upgrade, if any at all, at moving the puck. Faster, yes but the Pens have enough speed on the back end and in their forward group to compensate. Plus, you are not swapping MP and Chara. You are swapping them and adding Zacha/Granlund as well.

I think it`s as simple as this. Ask Sullivan, GMJR, Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Mario and anyone else in the Pens organization if they would want to have Chara on their team. The answer from everyone would be hell yeah we do. Make it happen.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 4:10 p.m.
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My point is that you did not trade for them. You signed them. Which you could do without getting rid of MP. You don't have to twist stuff to make yourself look right.


Not true. My point was very clear that is was addition and subtraction not just a trade and you came back and tried to make it sound like it was a trade. Don`t twist stuff to make yourself look right.
Dec. 2, 2020 at 5:32 p.m.
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Not true. My point was very clear that is was addition and subtraction not just a trade and you came back and tried to make it sound like it was a trade. Don`t twist stuff to make yourself look right.


Jesus you are helpless. Just know if you're trading MP + McCann you should he getting more than Zacha and Zetterlund
Dec. 3, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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I’d say he’s in the 4-7 range. Coaching includes lineup decisions - the fact that he continues to hold back his teams because of his obsession with veteran grinders drops him out of the top 3 IMO. A lot of coaches have that one guy they play too much - trotz has like 3-4 of them.

Mitch korn deserves just as much credit , if not more, for trotz teams success.


So true and piero greco
Dec. 3, 2020 at 2:19 p.m.
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Lee was terrible on the PP - s% was at a career low, but he was great at 5v5 this year. Playing with barzal doesn’t cater to his skill set , he’d have more goals if he was playing with nelson


Agreed a lee beau flip would be great
 
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